Wage Slavery

[Dildo Argentino]

This is the part where Holist runs away from his bullshit with "jokes", assuming that we will not of course remember every asshole thing he said.

Well, at least *I* will.

Right, right. Could you please point me at a piece of bullshit so I can attempt to do something other than run away from it, please?

How about the point you're trying to make in this thread?   

That would be great, only I don't see why it is bullshit. You have not explained it (not that you're obliged to, or anything). You caricature it here and elsewhere, attribute views that use some of the same words but I haven't actually expressed them, then get angry/desperate/self-righteous/denigrating with me. I guess that may well be simply because you get angry/dersperate/self-righteous/denigrating no matter what... but perhaps there's some other reason for it. I don't get it, sorry.

[Verbal Mike]

Holist, Roger keeps giving you very clear examples of special brands of awful you can get as a sex worker but not as a language professional. Yeah, some of the time it might read like an exaggerated joke, but it's only horrormirth material because it's actual reality for some people. Apart from acknowledging that you know sex work can go south way worse than other work, I haven't really seen that information given the attention it deserves. And whether you mean it to or not, the constant insistence that other things come close reads a lot like downplaying the awful.

I'm going in circles here, I know, but I'm rephrasing what I keep trying to say because I believe you mean this well and are interested in understanding the clash between what you mean and how some of us react to it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That would be great, only I don't see why it is bullshit.

That's because your head has already reached its bullshit capacity.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holist, Roger keeps giving you very clear examples of special brands of awful you can get as a sex worker but not as a language professional.

He doesn't actually read the parts where his beliefs are challenged.

[Dildo Argentino]

which puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect

How near?

In that respect, very near, or right up with. Because (as I have already said), I do agree that people who are actually happy with sex-work, or get a kick out of sex-work and don't just do it for money and lack of better ideas, must be truly outliers (not primarily because of something inherently wrong with porn, but because of something - a great, great deal - factually wrong with the industry).

While in other respects, sex-work has some similarities with the kind of work that requires deep, intimate, in a sense risk-taking involvement (like the performing arts).

And, as I have said and do believe, it also has some special features, all of its own: in the current setting, largely very unpleasant to downright horrible. But again, I don't think that's a necessary consequence of humans being the way they are (in general and about sex in particular). I think it is largely cultural, a consequence of all those general shortcomings of our civilization that we Discordians sometimes like to harp on about.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

which puts totally alienated  work near porn in that respect

How near?

In that respect, very near, or right up with.

UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

[LMNO]

In that respect, very near, or right up with.

This is where you and the rest of reality disagree.

[Verbal Mike]

And, as I have said and do believe, it also has some special features, all of its own: in the current setting, largely very unpleasant to downright horrible. But again, I don't think that's a necessary consequence of humans being the way they are (in general and about sex in particular). I think it is largely cultural, a consequence of all those general shortcomings of our civilization that we Discordians sometimes like to harp on about.

Could be otherwise =/= is otherwise.
The argument that it needn't be this way has no bearing on the question, "is it this way". Which is, to me, the question of the porn princess thread.

[Dildo Argentino]

Holist, Roger keeps giving you very clear examples of special brands of awful you can get as a sex worker but not as a language professional.

He doesn't actually read the parts where his beliefs are challenged.

No, I do. I have said it (I think sufficiently, for Christ's sake, I am actually taking it as read, it is bloody obvious): terrible, terrible, awful things happen to a lot of people in the sex industry. That's evil, bad, shouldn't be allowed.

If I made the impression that I disagree with this, that's my clumsy, my inattention, I am sorry, because I do, I mean I do agree with this. And no, that kind of horrible does not happen in translation services. (Similar levels of terrible do happen in the music business, especially the nowadays so popular televised karaoke talent shows, and in a number of professional sports, all over the world, but with significantly lower frequency.

BUT - firstly, it's not all of the sex-industry, i.e. it is possible to do this without the horrific aspects, AND my points about the above similarities with other lines of work stand.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Remember, kids!  Sitting in that cubicle is JUST THE SAME as, say, being FUCKED BY RON JEREMY'S DISEASED MEMBER in EVERY ORIFICE.  There is no practical difference!



Also, if you're going to have to do a job you don't find personally exciting, you may as well just get out on the corner and say "Business?" to everyone that goes by.

Because it's either THAT, or you will hurt Holist's feelings by putting big fucking dents in his sense of entitlement.  And nobody wants that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holist, Roger keeps giving you very clear examples of special brands of awful you can get as a sex worker but not as a language professional.

He doesn't actually read the parts where his beliefs are challenged.

No, I do. I have said it (I think sufficiently, for Christ's sake, I am actually taking it as read, it is bloody obvious): terrible, terrible, awful things happen to a lot of people in the sex industry. That's evil, bad, shouldn't be allowed.

Yet here you are, with your bare face hanging out, suggesting that doing translation work is JUST THE SAME.

This implies that you may in fact be retarded.  Are you retarded?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Remember, kids!  Sitting in that cubicle is JUST THE SAME as, say, being FUCKED BY RON JEREMY'S DISEASED MEMBER in EVERY ORIFICE.  There is no practical difference!



Also, if you're going to have to do a job you don't find personally exciting, you may as well just get out on the corner and say "Business?" to everyone that goes by.

Because it's either THAT, or you will hurt Holist's feelings by putting big fucking dents in his sense of entitlement.  And nobody wants that.

I'm gonna ask my boss what my chances are for a Workman's Comp claim to compensate me for chlamydia. BRB I'M SURE IT'LL GO REAL WELL.

[Luna]

Still, I believe transfer of the term 'prostitution' from doing sex for money to the kind of work I do has some justification over and above my opinions about the debiliating effects of wage slavery/alienated labour.

Aaand, that's as far as I'm going in the original post.  Heel-digging and screeching, that's new.  Not.

I'm between tricks, but will be up most of the night.

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Happy Prostitute^TM

And this is where I write this one off as an irredeemable douchenugget and move on with my life.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Remember, kids!  Sitting in that cubicle is JUST THE SAME as, say, being FUCKED BY RON JEREMY'S DISEASED MEMBER in EVERY ORIFICE.  There is no practical difference!



Also, if you're going to have to do a job you don't find personally exciting, you may as well just get out on the corner and say "Business?" to everyone that goes by.

Because it's either THAT, or you will hurt Holist's feelings by putting big fucking dents in his sense of entitlement.  And nobody wants that.

I'm gonna ask my boss what my chances are for a Workman's Comp claim to compensate me for chlamydia. BRB I'M SURE IT'LL GO REAL WELL.

HEY!  TRANSLATORS GET CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME, YOU KNOW!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Still, I believe transfer of the term 'prostitution' from doing sex for money to the kind of work I do has some justification over and above my opinions about the debiliating effects of wage slavery/alienated labour.

Aaand, that's as far as I'm going in the original post.  Heel-digging and screeching, that's new.  Not.

I'm between tricks, but will be up most of the night.

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Happy Prostitute^TM

And this is where I write this one off as an irredeemable douchenugget and move on with my life.

Yep.  Nothing to be gained here.  Except cheap laughs.