The Fall of the Republic has been delayed due to the possibility of rain

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I would vote for obama myself if my vote actually mattered in this election. Now this doesnt mean i wont vote- it just means that my vote for obama would be just as effective here as it would be if i lived in seguin. If i lived in dayton it would be a different story entirely and i wouldnt even entertain the thought of voting for stein. But the way i see it is supporting greens in a solidly blue state can help show the dems that they cant move farther right. The other part of it is that centrists (who the right consider liberal) need to be convinced to stand their ground too.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

Today's "liberals" are the primary reason the Overton Window has moved so sharply right.  Instead of drawing a line and saying, 'fuck THAT', they actively "reach across the aisle", not realizing that the right wing is just STANDING there, making the libs come to them and calling that "middle ground".

And this is why Romney now stands a pretty good chance of being elected.  Liberals are either disgusted by Obama's weak sister act and won't be bothered, or they're PURISTS and can't bring themselves to vote for Obama because he is a great deal less than perfect.

False alternative.

There's a whole school, consisting of me and maybe some others, who've noticed that every time something remotely resembling a leftward push threatens to happen in this country, that's precisely when the wingnuts start getting stupid amounts of exposure.

Seems to me that if the elephant in the room is about to get exposed, the best way to prevent that is to start swinging axes at the folks looking in that direction. So yeah, we've got this massive wealth gap getting larger everyday. There's this war on terror that we're using to justify "small sacrifices of constitutional liberties" but only for the duration of hostilities (whatever the fuck that means). There's an emerging yet already massive prison industrial complex and a particularly dire state of energy dependence staring down the barrel of an almost dry well. Maybe we should think abou--

HOLY FUCKING SHIT HERE COME'S MITT AND HE'S AFTER YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND VAGINAS.

I can't help thinking that maybe if we stopped acting as expected every fucking time that ploy is pulled, maybe 8, 12, 16 years from now we'll be debating whether to invest in more wind farms or more hydro, instead of debating whether or not to have the fucking year 1592 again.

I'm wearing my foil hat proudly when I say this, but to my mind voting bad just cause we think there's worse out there is as much a vote for worse as it is for bad. Cause the only way we're gonna keep voting for bad, is if we keep being presented with worse. And what's the surest way to keep even free thinkers nice and predictable??? Permanent crisis mode.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

In other words- refuse to vote against someone and while doing that try to bring the flip flopper further left?

I like the idea of sending the message to the gop "look dude you can win this election if you like but the demographics are pushing in this direction. lest ye be marginalized maybe you should come this way instead of trying to sail on a sinking ship" but how do we get that to work?

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

In other words- refuse to vote against someone and while doing that try to bring the flip flopper further left?

I like the idea of sending the message to the gop "look dude you can win this election if you like but the demographics are pushing in this direction. lest ye be marginalized maybe you should come this way instead of trying to sail on a sinking ship" but how do we get that to work?

Just push in that direction, I would think....and at some point be willing to smash a fucker in the face with a brick if they try to stop you.

Remember, for all the eloquence of Martin Luther King, Jr, it wasn't until the national guard stood there with guns that his movement was even able to have a march without getting their skulls cracked.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I guess my confusion is what you mean by push and who to smash with a brick and how literal samsh and brick are (i am a pacifist unless defense of myself or another is involved). Im getting the concept but not the details or execution.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ok, so how did the left get all the lazy cowards?

What I mean is, if it's a two-man con, why does one side get a larger share of ineffectual fuckups?

You seem to be conflating "Democrats" and the Left. The actual Left doesn't GET any media play.

What would the two-man con be if one side wasn't (perceived as) an ineffectual fuckup? Think Laurel and Hardy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Today's "liberals" are the primary reason the Overton Window has moved so sharply right.  Instead of drawing a line and saying, 'fuck THAT', they actively "reach across the aisle", not realizing that the right wing is just STANDING there, making the libs come to them and calling that "middle ground".

And this is why Romney now stands a pretty good chance of being elected.  Liberals are either disgusted by Obama's weak sister act and won't be bothered, or they're PURISTS and can't bring themselves to vote for Obama because he is a great deal less than perfect.

False alternative.

There's a whole school, consisting of me and maybe some others, who've noticed that every time something remotely resembling a leftward push threatens to happen in this country, that's precisely when the wingnuts start getting stupid amounts of exposure.

Seems to me that if the elephant in the room is about to get exposed, the best way to prevent that is to start swinging axes at the folks looking in that direction. So yeah, we've got this massive wealth gap getting larger everyday. There's this war on terror that we're using to justify "small sacrifices of constitutional liberties" but only for the duration of hostilities (whatever the fuck that means). There's an emerging yet already massive prison industrial complex and a particularly dire state of energy dependence staring down the barrel of an almost dry well. Maybe we should think abou--

HOLY FUCKING SHIT HERE COME'S MITT AND HE'S AFTER YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND VAGINAS.

I can't help thinking that maybe if we stopped acting as expected every fucking time that ploy is pulled, maybe 8, 12, 16 years from now we'll be debating whether to invest in more wind farms or more hydro, instead of debating whether or not to have the fucking year 1592 again.

I'm wearing my foil hat proudly when I say this, but to my mind voting bad just cause we think there's worse out there is as much a vote for worse as it is for bad. Cause the only way we're gonna keep voting for bad, is if we keep being presented with worse. And what's the surest way to keep even free thinkers nice and predictable??? Permanent crisis mode.

I believe this to be the correct motorcycle.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Thats why i vote democrat when i find it necessary. Im a liberal leftist which rules me out as being a democrat in the first place since the dems are a right of center party in any country not using the imperial system of measurements

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Twid,
political barometer is on the more logical metric system

[Nephew Twiddleton]

And actually politics arent one dimensional either. I call myself a liberal leftist for a reason. I am neither conservative nor rightwing. I consider liberal to mean willingness to experiment with legislation. I consider leftist to mean left when it comes to social and economic policy. Teabaggers are liberals. Liberal rightwingers.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Dems by comparison are conservative leftists.

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

I guess my confusion is what you mean by push and who to smash with a brick and how literal samsh and brick are (i am a pacifist unless defense of myself or another is involved). Im getting the concept but not the details or execution.

Push would mean simply voting for the candidate who represents you, patronizing businesses that represent you, supporting movements that represent you.

Smashing faces with bricks is anything your conscience will allow up to and including literally smashing faces with bricks. It basically means being willing to mitigate the threats posed by the wrong people holding us hostage under the law by being willing to say fuck the law if necessary. It means planned parenthood being willing to go rogue. Big Bird broadcast on pirate wave-lengths. Foreclosed upon home-owners staying put.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I guess my confusion is what you mean by push and who to smash with a brick and how literal samsh and brick are (i am a pacifist unless defense of myself or another is involved). Im getting the concept but not the details or execution.

Push would mean simply voting for the candidate who represents you, patronizing businesses that represent you, supporting movements that represent you.

Smashing faces with bricks is anything your conscience will allow up to and including literally smashing faces with bricks. It basically means being willing to mitigate the threats posed by the wrong people holding us hostage under the law by being willing to say fuck the law if necessary. It means planned parenthood being willing to go rogue. Big Bird broadcast on pirate wave-lengths. Foreclosed upon home-owners staying put.

Well, considering I only disagree with Stein on one thing (nuclear energy), I'm voting for the right person.

[Cain]

Actually, I see the point he's trying to make, and it seems valid to me.

The left is a gigantic set of playground wimps that hasten to tell you that they're left-leaning or bipartisan or whatever the fuck excuse they have this week for being GREAT BIG SISSIES.  Liberals SHIT THEIR PANTS when in the presence of conservatives, because they have bought the conservative's narrative.  While individuals may be different, the "left" as a whole is absolutely fucking useless.  I shit on them from a great height.

I think his point is the Republic is doomed because Obama has pussified America so it is afraid of rain.

Cain,
textual literalist.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Today's "liberals" are the primary reason the Overton Window has moved so sharply right.  Instead of drawing a line and saying, 'fuck THAT', they actively "reach across the aisle", not realizing that the right wing is just STANDING there, making the libs come to them and calling that "middle ground".

And this is why Romney now stands a pretty good chance of being elected.  Liberals are either disgusted by Obama's weak sister act and won't be bothered, or they're PURISTS and can't bring themselves to vote for Obama because he is a great deal less than perfect.

False alternative.

There's a whole school, consisting of me and maybe some others, who've noticed that every time something remotely resembling a leftward push threatens to happen in this country, that's precisely when the wingnuts start getting stupid amounts of exposure.

Seems to me that if the elephant in the room is about to get exposed, the best way to prevent that is to start swinging axes at the folks looking in that direction. So yeah, we've got this massive wealth gap getting larger everyday. There's this war on terror that we're using to justify "small sacrifices of constitutional liberties" but only for the duration of hostilities (whatever the fuck that means). There's an emerging yet already massive prison industrial complex and a particularly dire state of energy dependence staring down the barrel of an almost dry well. Maybe we should think abou--

HOLY FUCKING SHIT HERE COME'S MITT AND HE'S AFTER YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND VAGINAS.

I can't help thinking that maybe if we stopped acting as expected every fucking time that ploy is pulled, maybe 8, 12, 16 years from now we'll be debating whether to invest in more wind farms or more hydro, instead of debating whether or not to have the fucking year 1592 again.

I'm wearing my foil hat proudly when I say this, but to my mind voting bad just cause we think there's worse out there is as much a vote for worse as it is for bad. Cause the only way we're gonna keep voting for bad, is if we keep being presented with worse. And what's the surest way to keep even free thinkers nice and predictable??? Permanent crisis mode.

Shhhh! You're spoiling democracy for the true believers