Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Well I just saw on Facebook (though not yet confirmed) that Anon has successfully filed a death certficate for a woman with the WBC, and now her SSN is blocked, all of her credit, accounts, etc. POOF, frozen.

This is less than Gandhi-like, but it warms my cockles.

I disapprove.

I don't want the government punishing people for what they say, so I certainly don't want faceless vigilantes doing it.

I know.

It's the small, mean part of my brain that just enjoys WBC schadenfreude.

Back to the frontal cortex...*sigh*

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well I just saw on Facebook (though not yet confirmed) that Anon has successfully filed a death certficate for a woman with the WBC, and now her SSN is blocked, all of her credit, accounts, etc. POOF, frozen.

This is less than Gandhi-like, but it warms my cockles.

I disapprove.

I don't want the government punishing people for what they say, so I certainly don't want faceless vigilantes doing it.

I know.

It's the small, mean part of my brain that just enjoys WBC schadenfreude.

Back to the frontal cortex...*sigh*

Oh, yeah, there's definitely a part of my brain that is giggling.  No shame there.

But the front part of my brain has serious issues with this sort of thing.

[Faust]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

I disagree, for the same reason your people wont get up to change the tv channel when they don't have the remote control, there would be less killings if they had to run a few laps to get good at swinging a lead pipe.

[Faust]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

It wont stop any of this, getting rid of ALL guns will.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

I disagree, for the same reason your people wont get up to change the tv channel when they don't have the remote control, there would be less killings if they had to run a few laps to get good at swinging a lead pipe.

Any fatass american with google can make a bomb.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

I disagree, for the same reason your people wont get up to change the tv channel when they don't have the remote control, there would be less killings if they had to run a few laps to get good at swinging a lead pipe.

No, the type of person that would do something like this is what we Doktors like to call "an energetic lunatic".  If they didn't have guns, they'd just drive through a crowded shopping mall or something.

Additionally, of what use is prohibiting firearms?  Are there no guns in Ireland?  Britain?  Prohibiting them hits the law-abiding members of society, not the weirdos and criminals, who will somehow lay their hands on firearms under any circumstances.

Lastly, you have to remember the culture caused by the method used by America to come into existence:  A revolution carried out by, more or less, amateurs.  Contrast that with Canada, which left the British empire peacefully, and has no weird attachment to firearms whatsoever (and in fact moves to the other side of the bus from America whenever they think about this subject).

[Elder Iptuous]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

it's also not true.  i use a remington R 25 for hunting, and it falls squarely under the AWB definition.  that is far from an outlier anecdote.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

It wont stop any of this, getting rid of ALL guns will.

1.  Good luck with that, and

2.  People will still find inventive ways to kill each other off.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

All firearms are meant for killing people.  Every last one of them.

And the 2nd amendment wasn't designed to allow hunting.  It was specifically designed so that citizens could form militias (not the same as the national guard, which is a state-run enterprize).

[Faust]

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

Yep. Now they're using the logic that assault weapons are designed for hunting people, not meat, which is true.
But getting rid of them won't stop any of this.

It wont stop any of this, getting rid of ALL guns will.

2.  People will still find inventive ways to kill each other off.

less of them

Why the fuck is there any kind of legitimate gun side?

Because it's how we do things.

And that's just terrible.

Yes, yes it is.  But we do a great many horrible things, both to ourselves and to other nations around us.  And as far as the gun thing goes, get mad at the sun for rising.  If we didn't have guns, we'd use a piece of lead pipe.  The tool isn't the problem, the tool-using primates are the problem.

I disagree, for the same reason your people wont get up to change the tv channel when they don't have the remote control, there would be less killings if they had to run a few laps to get good at swinging a lead pipe.

Any fatass american with google can make a bomb.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Thing is, many Europeans make the mistake of thinking of Americans as Europeans without monarchies, with a few dozen extra pounds.

This is a mistake.

The United States is nothing like Europe.  The USA is basically batshit insane, and always has been.  It's an indelible part of our national character, and with good reason.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

less of them

So tell me, Faust...How successful were the British at disarming Ireland in the past?  And with whatever measures of success they may have had, how well did they curb violence?

I'll believe it when I see it.

There was this guy, see, named Timothy McVeigh...

[Bu🤠ns]

This writer has an interesting take on the psychology of mass murder:

http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2012-07-why-most-mass-murderers-are-privileged-white-men

Hmm...it seems like a stretch.  The author seems to be saying that the reason that the killers choose public places is because of their entitled white male privilege to access anywhere they want.  It feels like they're looking for and finding quarters.

For white male murderers from "nice" families, the fact that they chose public spaces like schools, university campuses, or movie theaters as their targets suggests that they saw these places as legitimately theirs.

And the main idea of the article:

Every killer makes his pain another's problem. But only those who've marinated in privilege can conclude that their private pain is the entire world's problem with which to deal. This is why, while men of all races and classes murder their intimate partners, it is privileged young white dudes who are by far the likeliest to shoot up schools and movie theaters.

I'm not saying this isn't the case but I don't think that the article necessarily does a good job to prove this.  Is there something I'm missing here?

[Faust]

No, the type of person that would do something like this is what we Doktors like to call "an energetic lunatic".  If they didn't have guns, they'd just drive through a crowded shopping mall or something.

Let them, it would still be better then driving through a classroom.

Additionally, of what use is prohibiting firearms?  Are there no guns in Ireland?  Britain?  Prohibiting them hits the law-abiding members of society, not the weirdos and criminals, who will somehow lay their hands on firearms under any circumstances.

Lastly, you have to remember the culture caused by the method used by America to come into existence:  A revolution carried out by, more or less, amateurs.  Contrast that with Canada, which left the British empire peacefully, and has no weird attachment to firearms whatsoever (and in fact moves to the other side of the bus from America whenever they think about this subject).

Ireland allows ownership of shotguns. The last crime of which was commited back in 2007 by a farmer shooting someone stealing from his land. There is a problem with guns smuggled into the country but all the shootings barring one have invovled the same fifty people and it has always been drugs related.
Northern Ireland has a huge problem with kneecappings and the like and it comes exactly from what you describe above a revolution carried out by amateurs, all that remains of the active IRA and the UDA are the causes of those problems.
I have no idea about the UK.

I don't buy cultural heratige as a reason to have the right to a firearm, the russians aren't about to march in, the fact is that the majority of people who get killed by guns in the US are through accidents or violence in the home.

but if we are going to throw out comparisons: Yes Ireland has an intollerable gun crime problem that has to be fixed and we have ZERO domestic shootings and ZERO school shootings.