The Compiled Rugged Individualist Conversation

[Sano]

People here have commented on the paradox that people buy into the idea of individualism yet are always displaying signals of being submissive to a certain community, and that it may be because of their feelings of insecurity; I think it might be something more general:

People operating under the "rugged individualism" meme do not want to live in a society (for certain definitions of "society", of course)
Not wanting to live in a society, they don't care for it.
Not caring for it, they don't pay attention to the idea.
Not paying attention to the idea, they don't know much about it.
Not knowing much about it, they can be part of one without realizing it.
And of course, if you are a part of something without even realizing that something is there you can be manipulated by it much more easily. Which explains why countries thought to be more community-oriented (Britain and Japan were cited) are less conforming: they are able to see some of the bullshit because they recognize their own community-related experiences better and are able to use that knowledge in their favor.

So the paradox does not arise from the conflict of an idea with a specific psychological reaction to it, it follows usually from the idea itself, it's a consequence of it. Does any of this make sense?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Sano.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Sano.

Agreed.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

huh, i wonder if this is why Japan can be so socially conservative yet have some of the weirdest subcultures and entertainment.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That could very well be.

[Ben Shapiro]

I love this thread.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

The Paes screeching in the OP, is that fair game for marginalia? It wasn't clear from the thread who actually wrote it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Paes screeching in the OP, is that fair game for marginalia? It wasn't clear from the thread who actually wrote it.

Paes wrote it; it's a transcription of a conversation that I think went down across threads or in fragments in another thread.

Now that I think about it, it's too bad this one went down too late to make it into BIP 2013, but on the other hand, I think there's probably about enough good material that's been written since then that we might consider starting another project after BIP 2013 makes it to press.

"The Bitter Tea Revolutionary Handbook" or something like that.

[LMNO]

The Paes screeching in the OP, is that fair game for marginalia? It wasn't clear from the thread who actually wrote it.

Paes wrote it; it's a transcription of a conversation that I think went down across threads or in fragments in another thread.

Now that I think about it, it's too bad this one went down too late to make it into BIP 2013, but on the other hand, I think there's probably about enough good material that's been written since then that we might consider starting another project after BIP 2013 makes it to press.

"The Bitter Tea Revolutionary Handbook" or something like that.

I like that!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The Paes screeching in the OP, is that fair game for marginalia? It wasn't clear from the thread who actually wrote it.

Paes wrote it; it's a transcription of a conversation that I think went down across threads or in fragments in another thread.

Now that I think about it, it's too bad this one went down too late to make it into BIP 2013, but on the other hand, I think there's probably about enough good material that's been written since then that we might consider starting another project after BIP 2013 makes it to press.

"The Bitter Tea Revolutionary Handbook" or something like that.

I like that!

Squeee! Time for things to start brewing...

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 

[MMIX]

 

The Paes screeching in the OP, is that fair game for marginalia? It wasn't clear from the thread who actually wrote it.

Paes wrote it; it's a transcription of a conversation that I think went down across threads or in fragments in another thread.

Now that I think about it, it's too bad this one went down too late to make it into BIP 2013, but on the other hand, I think there's probably about enough good material that's been written since then that we might consider starting another project after BIP 2013 makes it to press.

"The Bitter Tea Revolutionary Handbook" or something like that.

I like that!

Squeee! Time for things to start brewing...

[Doktor Howl]

I kind of have to rant for the Bitter Tea thingie.

[Doktor Howl]

Where to post it?

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Where to post it?

Nigel started a thread for it here : http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,34931.0.html