Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://news.yahoo.com/fontana-calif-schools-high-powered-rifles-184934771.html

Oh my god, that is completely insane, and also a matter of time before an unarmed student is shot and killed by one of these "guards".

Armed guards with high powered rifles in schools is not the solution. We are spiraling deeper into an insane society in which we lock children into institutions with armed guards every day.

Nooooooooooooo

[P3nT4gR4m]

Seems like a simple equation to me

More safe = Less free

More free = Less safe

RWHN obviously wants to stand on the completely safe side and most everyone else itt wants to stand on the completely free side

The ironic part is that most of the gun advocates want a gun to "be safe"

This is the reason I find the american gun-fixation so amusing. They take the "liberty" afforded by their holy and most sacred constitution and use it to imprison themselves in armed fortresses.

So the equation becomes

More free = less free

[Ben Shapiro]

But we can decorate the armed fortresses.

[East Coast Hustle]

Seems like a simple equation to me

More safe = Less free

More free = Less safe

RWHN obviously wants to stand on the completely safe side and most everyone else itt wants to stand on the completely free side

The ironic part is that most of the gun advocates want a gun to "be safe"

This is the reason I find the american gun-fixation so amusing. They take the "liberty" afforded by their holy and most sacred constitution and use it to imprison themselves in armed fortresses.

So the equation becomes

More free = less free

Regardless of what anyone says I'm pretty sure that, if you could look inside everyone's head and see what they really thought, you'd find 98% of "gun advocates" just really want to be able to kill the goddamn fuck out of something or someone if they feel the need to.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Seems like a simple equation to me

More safe = Less free

More free = Less safe

RWHN obviously wants to stand on the completely safe side and most everyone else itt wants to stand on the completely free side

The ironic part is that most of the gun advocates want a gun to "be safe"

This is the reason I find the american gun-fixation so amusing. They take the "liberty" afforded by their holy and most sacred constitution and use it to imprison themselves in armed fortresses.

So the equation becomes

More free = less free

Regardless of what anyone says I'm pretty sure that, if you could look inside everyone's head and see what they really thought, you'd find 98% of "gun advocates" just really want to be able to kill the goddamn fuck out of something or someone if they feel the need to.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

This is the crux of the matter. And I gotta hand it to your nation, you're pretty fucking good at it. Unfortunately we're fast approaching the point where most of the the rest of the world are starting to feel the need to kill the goddamn fuck out of America, y'know, while there's still a world left to do it in

[East Coast Hustle]

Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty worried about that. Really. A pack of politically aware chavs is more of a threat to me than the 300 million frothing insane were-pigs I'm currently surrounded by.

[East Coast Hustle]

So I don't know about anybody else's motivations for wanting to be well-armed, but I know mine are completely legitimate. I have an entire America to worry about.

[P3nT4gR4m]

So I don't know about anybody else's motivations for wanting to be well-armed, but I know mine are completely legitimate. I have an entire America to worry about.

Thread over - ECH WINS! 

[AFK]

Seems like a simple equation to me

More safe = Less free

More free = Less safe

RWHN obviously wants to stand on the completely safe side and most everyone else itt wants to stand on the completely free side

The ironic part is that most of the gun advocates want a gun to "be safe"

This is the reason I find the american gun-fixation so amusing. They take the "liberty" afforded by their holy and most sacred constitution and use it to imprison themselves in armed fortresses.

So the equation becomes

More free = less free

Well, there is no such thing as "comoletely safe", or "completely free" for that matter. 


But I do think as communities, and as a society, it is in our best interests to always be advancing policy that improves the lives of the members of our community.  Kids AND adults.  And let us remember adults are very much victims to gun violence as well.  I think what little a gun enthusiast would be asked to give up pales incomparison to the lives that can be spared.

[P3nT4gR4m]

You fix what's wrong with your country and the guns will get rid of themselves. This begins by ensuring an environment where everyone wakes up in the morning and the first thought through their heads isn't "OMG! WTF WAS THAT NOISE? WHERE'S MY BULLETS?"

Unfortunately for anyone living in the real world, this would require way too much time and effort to be even worth considering, so instead you answer the question with "WE'RE COMING TO TAKE THEM AWAY!" thinking "This will make it all better"

This, coincidentally is why America is the butt of so many jokes/jihads amongst non-Americans. 

Headline "Another dozen kids massacred in 4th kindergarten bloodbath since lunchtime"

America - "Shock, horror, omg!"

Rest of the world "Well, DUH!"

[AFK]

Well, it's more like "WE'RE GOING TO DISCONTINUE THESE MODELS."  Nobody is going to take away guns that are already owned. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yes - that's why it's completely pointless. Taking away the ones which no self respecting 5 year old would dream of using to shoot up his classroom is not exactly going to accomplish anything at all, is it?

Banning all firearms simply means that those damn fools who obey laws, just because they're laws will play ball and the rest (the ones more likely to shoot up schools - cos they don't give a fuck about what's legal and what aint) will merely get better at hiding them, until the time is right to charge into the playground, spraying bullets on all they survey.

You obviously haven't worked it out yet, bud, and I'm fairly certain you never will but, just in case I'm wrong, I'll say it again - prohibition does not work. Period. That goes for prohibition of anything. At all. What prohibition does is makes whatever problem it's employed to deal with 10 times worse.

Now before you get all "but you UKites have gun prohibition and your embryo's don't come flying out the vag, armed to the gums, raining death on the maternity staff" Remember one thing - we don't want guns. Our bible doesn't tell us we have the right to 200 round mags. We have a slight problem with some deprived kids in the inner cities, who have watched too many American movies and listened to too much American poetry but, on the whole we tend not to spend 99% of our waking life wondering if we have enough armour piercing bullets to deal with our next door neighbours in a civilised manner .

[LMNO]

I almost agree with you, RWHN; but I agree with Cain's breakdown even more.  And this quote is a bit troubling:

It rather funny that you are advocating a ban on a class of firearm that apparently is statistically involved in a far smaller number of deaths than that of handguns.

Because you have to start somewhere.  Unfortunately that is the nature of public policy, incremental.

Because it belies an undercurrent of, believe it or not, slippery slope-ing.  Sure, we'll start with banning this type of gun, because of the children, and because it's an easy target, regardless of it's ultimate threat reduction because there's public support.  Then, when that's in place, we can cause a furor over the next kind of gun, get that banned and so on. 



My goodness.  I'm sounding like the NRA.  And I hate those fuckers. 

It's sort of a parallel with something Penn Jillette (fucking hell, I'm pulling out a lot of assholes for referecnce here, aren't I?) said about religion (paraphrased): "People ask me what would prevent people from raping and killing if there was no God, and you know what?  There is no god, and I rape as many people as I want to.  And I want to rape ZERO people.  I kill as many people as I want to, and I want to kill ZERO people."

I don't think we should leave the argument alone, like a lot on the Right do, when they say "People kill people, so leave our guns alone."  People do kill people, so we should look to what environmental and social contexts create violent societies, and throw our energies behind that.

Maybe we could frame this in a "for the children" way.  If the focus is on ineffective gun restrictions, you might save one life, while twenty die.  If the focus is on violence reduction, you might save twenty.  Focus on what maximizes the result you want.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It rather funny that you are advocating a ban on a class of firearm that apparently is statistically involved in a far smaller number of deaths than that of handguns.

Because you have to start somewhere.  Unfortunately that is the nature of public policy, incremental.

Weren't you just the guy arguing that there was no slippery slope?   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, it's more like "WE'RE GOING TO DISCONTINUE THESE MODELS."  Nobody is going to take away guns that are already owned.

Who's "we"?

Because I don't think the companies making them want to discontinue them.