Drones to be Used in Dorner Case

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'd sue the LAPD then for loss of earnings. I've done my job and provided them information and they've fucked up the arrest and conviction part? Aint my bitch. Fuck you - pay me

[Golden Applesauce]

Also, the LAPD burnt their house down. That has to count for something.

[Cain]

For those wondering:

The "burners" used by the LAPD are essentially incendiary devices with 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile, otherwise known as tear gas.  This particular version of tear gas is, however, solid at room temperature, so the idea is that the incendiary and explosive converts it to a gaesous form.

In theory.

In practice, they seem to be marketed to dodgy third world regimes such as Burma, where they are used to injure and maim protestors, all while claiming it was "merely" tear gas that was being deployed.  Because of the intense heat they produce, using them around anything that can catch fire is pretty much asking for a fire to be started, and anyone even vaguely aware of what the burners involve would have to know this.

Like I said above, there was no way Dorner was going to be taken in alive.

[Elder Iptuous]

Cain,
i saw some blurbs at the time about police being heard on the scanners saying, 'burn the fucker down' right before tossing in the pyrotechnics.
doing a google, there's plenty of links to CT sites saying as such, but not much in the way of credible sources.  there are youtubes (which i can't see at work) that have it recorded apparently, but, of course, those can be faked.
do you know anything about the credibility of these claims?  seems to be a bombshell if it were true, and there's not any focus on that, so, i'm dubious now...

[Cain]

The New York Post, while not entirely credible, does have this report:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/burn_this_mother_m1dKNrfBJza1Apo1D0OrlJ

"Burn this motherf--ker!" one officer shouted ...Amid sounds of gunfire, voices can be heard shouting, "Burn it down!" and "Shoot the gas!"

I tend to believe they wouldn't use these quotes unless they were pretty sure they could prove they heard them.

[Elder Iptuous]

hmm...
with a semi credible source quoting it, i would expect it to... (trying to avoid pun) spread through the media landscape.
do you agree this could rationally be taken as evidence of a concerted effort to squelch the story?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I believe it.

Cops aren't really prepared for something like this.  Outside of people with tons of actual combat experience (in Iraq or Afghanistan, for example), nobody is.

So they get a little manic.  And by "a little manic", I mean homicidal and DUMB.

[Cain]

There are also these quotes worth considering

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-fire-20130215,0,5831477.story

"What difference does it make if one of the officers puts a ... round in his head, drives the armored vehicle over his body when they are knocking the building down, or he dies in a conflagration?" said David Klinger, a use-of-force expert at the University of Missouri at St. Louis and a former LAPD officer. "If he is trying to surrender you can't do any of those things ... But if he is actively trying to murder people, there's no doubt that deadly force is appropriate and it doesn't matter what method is used to deliver it."

Geoffery Alpert, a professor at the University of South Carolina who also specializes in police tactics, agreed.

"I don't understand what the big deal is," Alpert said. "This man had already shot two officers and was suspected of murdering other people. He wasn't responding in a rational manner. The actions you take have to remove the threat and if it requires extreme measures, then so be it."

It is interesting to note they are referencing military counterterrorism policies and ideas here, not policing. 

Also, everyone knows a cop killer rarely ever makes it to actual trial.  The police make sure of that, most times, because in most places, the police are just another gang, and the primary function of a gang (besides money making) is protecting their own and teaching others not to fuck with them.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

We need Sam Vimes.

[Cain]

It's all Captain Quirke, all day for you.

Well, except for the occasional Captain Swing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's all Captain Quirke, all day for you.

Well, except for the occasional Captain Swing.

Corporal Quirke (I just re-read the series) IS, in fact our police force.

But Captain Swing is Tomorrow standing there with calipers in its hands and blood on its apron.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

There are also these quotes worth considering

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-fire-20130215,0,5831477.story

"What difference does it make if one of the officers puts a ... round in his head, drives the armored vehicle over his body when they are knocking the building down, or he dies in a conflagration?" said David Klinger, a use-of-force expert at the University of Missouri at St. Louis and a former LAPD officer. "If he is trying to surrender you can't do any of those things ... But if he is actively trying to murder people, there's no doubt that deadly force is appropriate and it doesn't matter what method is used to deliver it."

Geoffery Alpert, a professor at the University of South Carolina who also specializes in police tactics, agreed.

"I don't understand what the big deal is," Alpert said. "This man had already shot two officers and was suspected of murdering other people. He wasn't responding in a rational manner. The actions you take have to remove the threat and if it requires extreme measures, then so be it."

It is interesting to note they are referencing military counterterrorism policies and ideas here, not policing. 

Also, everyone knows a cop killer rarely ever makes it to actual trial.  The police make sure of that, most times, because in most places, the police are just another gang, and the primary function of a gang (besides money making) is protecting their own and teaching others not to fuck with them.

Yep. Only nobody's supposed to say that. Protect and serve and all that shit. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

There are also these quotes worth considering

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dorner-fire-20130215,0,5831477.story

"What difference does it make if one of the officers puts a ... round in his head, drives the armored vehicle over his body when they are knocking the building down, or he dies in a conflagration?" said David Klinger, a use-of-force expert at the University of Missouri at St. Louis and a former LAPD officer. "If he is trying to surrender you can't do any of those things ... But if he is actively trying to murder people, there's no doubt that deadly force is appropriate and it doesn't matter what method is used to deliver it."

Geoffery Alpert, a professor at the University of South Carolina who also specializes in police tactics, agreed.

"I don't understand what the big deal is," Alpert said. "This man had already shot two officers and was suspected of murdering other people. He wasn't responding in a rational manner. The actions you take have to remove the threat and if it requires extreme measures, then so be it."

It is interesting to note they are referencing military counterterrorism policies and ideas here, not policing. 

Also, everyone knows a cop killer rarely ever makes it to actual trial.  The police make sure of that, most times, because in most places, the police are just another gang, and the primary function of a gang (besides money making) is protecting their own and teaching others not to fuck with them.

Yep. Only nobody's supposed to say that. Protect and serve and all that shit. 

Actually, most department's charters say nothing about that.  What they say is "preserve order".

[Cain]

Which, of course, puts them on roughly an equal footing with the Mafia.

Don Corleone was a keeper of the peace, after all.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Which, of course, puts them on roughly an equal footing with the Mafia.

Don Corleone was a keeper of the peace, after all.

No argument here.

Tucson's PD was just about perfect when Walkup was mayor ("My job is to watch the police"), but now Rothschild is in ("The commissioner knows what he's doing"), and now it's sliding back into the old days of graft and senseless brutality.