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[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

[Resigned Obligatorily]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue2ZEmTJ_Xo

Yeah.... We are all going to be obsolete someday soon....

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

The image of me. The software running in my brain and extraneous neural network. Imagination is only part of it. Memory, pattern filters, all the other bullshit. Once that's captured and fed into an emulator, I'm restored but backup can happen at any point before the restore platform is developed. I'm non existent in the interim but I'm thinking it'll be just like sleeping but without the dreams.

[Faust]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

The image of me. The software running in my brain and extraneous neural network. Imagination is only part of it. Memory, pattern filters, all the other bullshit. Once that's captured and fed into an emulator, I'm restored but backup can happen at any point before the restore platform is developed. I'm non existent in the interim but I'm thinking it'll be just like sleeping but without the dreams.

We noticed you weren't productive enough so we went ahead and made some changes to the Backup before restoring you. Enjoy your new found work ethic and patriotism that we threw in for good measure.

[LMNO]

Faust, Bringer of Dystopia.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

The image of me. The software running in my brain and extraneous neural network. Imagination is only part of it. Memory, pattern filters, all the other bullshit. Once that's captured and fed into an emulator, I'm restored but backup can happen at any point before the restore platform is developed. I'm non existent in the interim but I'm thinking it'll be just like sleeping but without the dreams.

OK, but that is not even close to anything the technology in that talk actually does, or even could be developed to do. Think of it as like a camera; no matter how HD the image, it's still just an image.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

The image of me. The software running in my brain and extraneous neural network. Imagination is only part of it. Memory, pattern filters, all the other bullshit. Once that's captured and fed into an emulator, I'm restored but backup can happen at any point before the restore platform is developed. I'm non existent in the interim but I'm thinking it'll be just like sleeping but without the dreams.

OK, but that is not even close to anything the technology in that talk actually does, or even could be developed to do. Think of it as like a camera; no matter how HD the image, it's still just an image.

Yes but that's only the visual cortex. They're doing this with the whole brain. A bit at a time, for the present but eventually it'll be the whole thing. Give it a couple of orders of magnitude in scanning resolution, they'll be getting the whole mind state. Unless you think there's something "external" going on, ie. some essence of you that isn't an emergent property of brain function, then scanning at high enough resolution becomes a frozen snapshot of your conscious state.

Emulation would require a complex series of rules to coordinate the interactions of the mostly dynamic dataset. Maybe emulation isn't required, maybe just growing a brain in a vat and then "flashing" the snapshot onto/into it. Like I said - it's the future's problem. Getting the snapshot, in my lifetime, before my consciousness starts to suffer deterioration or death - that's the important part, from my point of view.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm beginning to see this in - Big Data - terms. The software side. That's essentially how they cracked it. A lot of AI stuff, backing up minds and the like, the thinking always assumed figuring out how all the intricate bullshit worked in minute detail. Thing is, we only need that if we're  talking about writing consciousness from the ground up. Stick that particular noble ambition to the side and focus on the immediate goal - I am fucking awesome. My consciousness is, at the moment, not being backed up. That shit is unacceptable and needs to be rectified at first available opportunity.

I'm guessing a lot of people also feel this way. Or would, if they thought about it in terms like that. So this video feed thing strikes me as a significant milestone on the road to capturing a snapshot of my whole instance.

I'm totally all about the computer backup of the human brain. That technology, however, is a very, very long way off, and in fact when it does arrive it will probably barely be recognizable as "technology".

I'm not talking abut restoring the backup or running it on new substrate. I agree - that shit looks decades away at best but just capturing the image will come much sooner. At that point, from my point of view it ought to appear instantaneous anyway, even if I'm not restored and rebooted for hundreds of years. Just grab that images and subsequent generations can figure out how to get them up and running.

The image of someone's imagination? There's nothing to get "up and running", not sure what you're talking about.

The image of me. The software running in my brain and extraneous neural network. Imagination is only part of it. Memory, pattern filters, all the other bullshit. Once that's captured and fed into an emulator, I'm restored but backup can happen at any point before the restore platform is developed. I'm non existent in the interim but I'm thinking it'll be just like sleeping but without the dreams.

OK, but that is not even close to anything the technology in that talk actually does, or even could be developed to do. Think of it as like a camera; no matter how HD the image, it's still just an image.

Yes but that's only the visual cortex. They're doing this with the whole brain. A bit at a time, for the present but eventually it'll be the whole thing. Give it a couple of orders of magnitude in scanning resolution, they'll be getting the whole mind state. Unless you think there's something "external" going on, ie. some essence of you that isn't an emergent property of brain function, then scanning at high enough resolution becomes a frozen snapshot of your conscious state.

Emulation would require a complex series of rules to coordinate the interactions of the mostly dynamic dataset. Maybe emulation isn't required, maybe just growing a brain in a vat and then "flashing" the snapshot onto/into it. Like I said - it's the future's problem. Getting the snapshot, in my lifetime, before my consciousness starts to suffer deterioration or death - that's the important part, from my point of view.

I don't think you understand what an fMRI does, or what its role is in generating the signals that are being interpreted into these images.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What you're saying is a lot like "If I can take really, really good detailed video of the insides of a computer while it's working, I'll be able to reproduce the data on the computer".

[P3nT4gR4m]

What you're saying is a lot like "If I can take really, really good detailed video of the insides of a computer while it's working, I'll be able to reproduce the data on the computer".

Yes. You do realise that what you just said there would actually be possible right now if anyone could be bothered to do it?

[P3nT4gR4m]

Been watching Jason Silva all day. Kinda digging his manic energy and inspiring take on shit in general.

check out more on http://thisisjasonsilva.com/

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What you're saying is a lot like "If I can take really, really good detailed video of the insides of a computer while it's working, I'll be able to reproduce the data on the computer".

Yes. You do realise that what you just said there would actually be possible right now if anyone could be bothered to do it?

Uhhhh nope. Unless you are using a completely different definition of "video".

No matter how high the resolution achieved with fMRI, it is not and will never be capable of taking an image of the brain that a personality and memories could be reconstructed from. I actually do think that at some point a technology may be developed that CAN do that, but it's not fMRI.

[Faust]

The complex structure of the brain, composed of both electrical and electrochemical transactions is still way beyond our best spectroscopic analytic techniques.

Even if you allow us to cheat and take apart the brain to measure everything.

We can tell you the average for areas and tell you what's currently active and what's not but on a base unit charge and transaction we don't have anything that good yet.

[P3nT4gR4m]

What you're saying is a lot like "If I can take really, really good detailed video of the insides of a computer while it's working, I'll be able to reproduce the data on the computer".

Yes. You do realise that what you just said there would actually be possible right now if anyone could be bothered to do it?

Uhhhh nope. Unless you are using a completely different definition of "video".

No matter how high the resolution achieved with fMRI, it is not and will never be capable of taking an image of the brain that a personality and memories could be reconstructed from. I actually do think that at some point a technology may be developed that CAN do that, but it's not fMRI.

Sorry, yeah, getting ahead of myself  I wasn't thinking of video, I was thinking of some kind of electron microscope Of course, fMRI will only give part of the picture but I agree, something will eventually be developed, there's loads of theories flying about, about what form this new tech will be, whether it's some kind of direct, nanotech, neuron by neuron bridge or maybe an amalgamation of different scanners or maybe some other method that hasn't even been invented yet.

What the clip I posted shows is a milestone on that roadmap. I think a fairly significant one. What's significant here, though, isn't the scanner. It's the software that analyses the data. What it's doing, right now is effectively simulating part of the function of the visual cortex, without simulating the visual cortex itself. It's applying an algorithm that creates the same results from given input. It appears that a large part of that algorithm was not written by a human. The machine "learned" how to do it, humans merely gave it the parameters that told it how to learn.