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Started by The Good Reverend Roger, March 08, 2013, 09:32:33 PM

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Richter

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2013, 02:19:56 AM
If we got rid of five or so students, my job would be much, much easier.

How black /white and non-questionable is the expulsion policy?
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Cain

Quote from: Richter on March 24, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2013, 02:19:56 AM
If we got rid of five or so students, my job would be much, much easier.

How black /white and non-questionable is the expulsion policy?

We work on the basis of a warnings level system.  So you do something wrong, you're moved to the first level, you continue to do it wrong you go to the next level etc.  Different members of staff are responsible for different levels, for instance I am responsible for the first two levels of discipline.

If someone does something severe enough, they can be moved up the warning level system faster, so, for instance, threatening someone can instantly move you up to the third level of warnings.

Unfortunately, the warnings can expire, but in practice that is up to the member of staff in question, and I ensure my warnings never expire.

As for black lines, the only major ones for the accomodation are drugs on the premises and violence, both of which will earn immediate expulsion.  The school has those and a couple extra, such as non-attendance of classes, in line with the UKBA policy on student visas. 

At the moment, all the students in question are at a level where I am no longer responsible for disciplinary procedures against them.  So they're in the process of being removed, at least.

Richter

Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2013, 06:21:26 PM
Quote from: Richter on March 24, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 24, 2013, 02:19:56 AM
If we got rid of five or so students, my job would be much, much easier.

How black /white and non-questionable is the expulsion policy?

We work on the basis of a warnings level system.  So you do something wrong, you're moved to the first level, you continue to do it wrong you go to the next level etc.  Different members of staff are responsible for different levels, for instance I am responsible for the first two levels of discipline.

If someone does something severe enough, they can be moved up the warning level system faster, so, for instance, threatening someone can instantly move you up to the third level of warnings.

Unfortunately, the warnings can expire, but in practice that is up to the member of staff in question, and I ensure my warnings never expire.

As for black lines, the only major ones for the accomodation are drugs on the premises and violence, both of which will earn immediate expulsion.  The school has those and a couple extra, such as non-attendance of classes, in line with the UKBA policy on student visas. 

At the moment, all the students in question are at a level where I am no longer responsible for disciplinary procedures against them.  So they're in the process of being removed, at least.

I see, and engineering anything on levels beyond your direct control would potentially be more trouble than it's worth.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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LMNO

I, for one, would LOVE to see Cain pull a Batman Gambit on one of these kids.

Cain

Anything I say will pretty much be trusted because I'm a member of staff and there are no ways for a student to appeal, except with the whole "my word against yours" thing.

The problem is that the process stalls above my stage, because the financial considerations can put pressure on the decision-makers.  So essentially, all I need to do is get them to the stage where they are no longer my problem from a disciplinary angle, and then just pass a steady stream of information upstream until there is sufficient reason to remove them.

I mean, yes, it would be easier to just plant a bag of weed in the hidden partition in their room and "find" it during the room check, but since we don't control the building, that would mean likely police involvement.  Which is always unpleasant.

Richter

I'm guessing that arranging that would be too much risk for the result, not to mention compromising your own position.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

Friendly Neighborhood Mentat

The Good Reverend Roger

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO


Salty

So the first week of my marriage was really hard. Not sure why just yet, bad timing of the seasons perhaps.

We've had some troubles since, uh, Alty-Wife-Bot-9000, left her job. But we haven't come close to starving or being evicted so, you know, I'm cool.

But it may be for the best that this week has been pretty rough, marriage isn't about being easy, right? There will be the hard times, best not get caught up in that Honeymoon mentality.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:
This guy will be in the WA/OR area from about July 11-31st.

PPPPAAAARRRRRTTTYYYYYYYYYYYY!
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
So the first week of my marriage was really hard. Not sure why just yet, bad timing of the seasons perhaps.

We've had some troubles since, uh, Alty-Wife-Bot-9000, left her job. But we haven't come close to starving or being evicted so, you know, I'm cool.

But it may be for the best that this week has been pretty rough, marriage isn't about being easy, right? There will be the hard times, best not get caught up in that Honeymoon mentality.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:
This guy will be in the WA/OR area from about July 11-31st.

PPPPAAAARRRRRTTTYYYYYYYYYYYY!

If marriage was easy, nobody would ever get divorced.

Trick is, communicate...But remember that words that come OUT of your mouth can't go back IN, so it's really, really important to consider which words come flying out of your pie-hole.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Salty

Why do people like opiates so much? I've been a zombie for days, I wanna get out and TEAR SHIT APART, not lay around and drool over Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
Why do people like opiates so much? I've been a zombie for days, I wanna get out and TEAR SHIT APART, not lay around and drool over Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

Tear shit apart while fucked up.  It's always worked for me.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Salty

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
So the first week of my marriage was really hard. Not sure why just yet, bad timing of the seasons perhaps.

We've had some troubles since, uh, Alty-Wife-Bot-9000, left her job. But we haven't come close to starving or being evicted so, you know, I'm cool.

But it may be for the best that this week has been pretty rough, marriage isn't about being easy, right? There will be the hard times, best not get caught up in that Honeymoon mentality.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:
This guy will be in the WA/OR area from about July 11-31st.

PPPPAAAARRRRRTTTYYYYYYYYYYYY!

If marriage was easy, nobody would ever get divorced.

Trick is, communicate...But remember that words that come OUT of your mouth can't go back IN, so it's really, really important to consider which words come flying out of your pie-hole.

That is good advice. I've been exerting much control.

It's funny how badly I want to hold a grudge now, way more than before. But I am letting go of that shit too. It will be interesting to see how my brain develops with this new kind of stimulus.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

Salty

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:54:39 PM
Why do people like opiates so much? I've been a zombie for days, I wanna get out and TEAR SHIT APART, not lay around and drool over Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

Tear shit apart while fucked up.  It's always worked for me.

Hmmm..Perhaps a trip to my local legislators office is in order.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:56:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 25, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
Quote from: Alty on March 25, 2013, 03:52:14 PM
So the first week of my marriage was really hard. Not sure why just yet, bad timing of the seasons perhaps.

We've had some troubles since, uh, Alty-Wife-Bot-9000, left her job. But we haven't come close to starving or being evicted so, you know, I'm cool.

But it may be for the best that this week has been pretty rough, marriage isn't about being easy, right? There will be the hard times, best not get caught up in that Honeymoon mentality.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:
This guy will be in the WA/OR area from about July 11-31st.

PPPPAAAARRRRRTTTYYYYYYYYYYYY!

If marriage was easy, nobody would ever get divorced.

Trick is, communicate...But remember that words that come OUT of your mouth can't go back IN, so it's really, really important to consider which words come flying out of your pie-hole.

That is good advice. I've been exerting much control.

It's funny how badly I want to hold a grudge now, way more than before. But I am letting go of that shit too. It will be interesting to see how my brain develops with this new kind of stimulus.

I find that the best possible thing I can do is, before my big fat mouth opens, to ask "Am I attempting to communicate, or am I attempting to score a point?"

If it's the former, go ahead.  If it's the latter, SHUT UP.  Because in a marriage, the points scored by both sides are actually tallied together, like so:

1.  Add spouses' scores together.  This goes in the "misery column".

2.  Compare misery column to win column, since nobody actually wins, the score looks like this:

Misery             X (X being the total of the two spouses' scores)
Happy people    0

It's a negative sum game.  Everyone loses when a win is attempted in this manner.

Possible (actual) wins:

1.  Weasel sex.
2.  Go take a walk together.
3.  Go, together, and fuck with someone who desperately needs it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.