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Nigel & Cain: Your thoughts on this?

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, March 20, 2013, 06:14:14 PM

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Cain

#30
March 20, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
Turning to the murder...no doubt it was a professional hit.  Handgun, answering the door at home, after sunset.

It's also worth noting only once before has a DoC Director been killed, and the last time was in Oregon in 1988, apparently during a botched robbery (the man found guilty claims he was not responsible).  In other words, while judges and police officers and prison guards are often targeted by ex-cons, the killing of a DoC Director is extremely rare...and given the reformist attitude of Clements, it would seem convicts would have less reason to kill him than most. 

Going by the baseline rarity of such attacks, and the professional manner in which it was carried out, with no signs of robbery or similar, it's hard to conclude this was not a targeted murder.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#31
March 21, 2013, 06:41:36 AM
Yep.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#32
March 21, 2013, 05:24:00 PM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#33
March 21, 2013, 05:54:49 PM
Quote"Corrections is an inherently dangerous career," Alison Morgan, a spokesperson for the Department of Corrections, said on Wednesday.

Yeah, so deadly that exactly TWO directors of corrections have been killed while in office.  Wow.  I suspect more school janitors have been killed whilst at work than that.

The Good Reverend Roger

#34
March 22, 2013, 01:46:20 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 20, 2013, 06:19:44 PM
Prediction:  Some ex-con is going to get this hung around his neck, and he'll get conveniently shot while being arrested.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/22/17414616-did-white-supremacist-kill-colorado-prisons-boss-pizza-delivery-man?lite

Quote"When he came by me, he was running I'd say around 100 miles an hour, just had his left arm out the window, and he was just shooting," said Rex Hoskins, chief of the Decatur, Texas, police. "He wasn't planning on being taken alive."

:lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#35
March 22, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
Everyone's dead, no story to tell.

Wonderful.

Incidentally, you know what is missing from that story?  The news that he was paroled post 2008, likely under Clements leadership of the DoC.

The Good Reverend Roger

#36
March 22, 2013, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 22, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
Everyone's dead, no story to tell.

Wonderful.

And CONVENIENT!

QuoteIncidentally, you know what is missing from that story?  The news that he was paroled post 2008, likely under Clements leadership of the DoC.

Clements took over in 2011.  He was in Missouri before then, at their corrections department.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

#37
March 22, 2013, 02:04:27 PM
Well, I couldn't find an exact date for the parole.  We know he was still in prison in 2008, due to his attack on a prison guard at that time.  However, given his background and the attitude of the previous DoC, it seems likely he was not paroled until Clements was in.  I'm looking for an actual parole date though, as I don't want to go on supposition alone.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#38
March 22, 2013, 02:16:50 PM
Well, how tidy is that?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

The Good Reverend Roger

#39
March 22, 2013, 02:17:30 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 22, 2013, 02:16:50 PM
Well, how tidy is that?

Tidy enough that I felt secure in making the prediction.   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#40
March 22, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
Two things jump out at me:

QuoteAuthorities say the suspect collided with an 18-wheeler, got out of his car and kept firing until officers shot him. Texas authorities said he was legally dead but being kept alive in a hospital so his organs might be harvested.

WHAT

Also, "harvested?" No one has said "harvested" in connection with organ donation for like 20 years, and it makes it sound like someone is doing it to him, when that would only be legal if he was a registered donor. That is the strangest wording I've seen for such a situation pretty much ever.

QuoteThe car in the crash had a Colorado license plate and matches at least the vague description of the car that was seen outside Clements' home.

In other words, there is nothing whatsoever to connect him to the murders, other than that he's in Colorado and was driving a sedan.

This is entirely speculation, and he is very, very convenient, because nobody likes white supremacists.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#41
March 22, 2013, 02:25:26 PM
I know all about how these people step out of the car firing. Like that kid in New York who clearly maybe had a gun.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

LMNO

#42
March 22, 2013, 02:27:02 PM
This whole thing is like a vortex of weird.  It looks shady at first, but then it sucks you in to the truly bizarre.

Cain

#43
March 22, 2013, 02:28:10 PM
I know if I was surrounded by armed cops and possibly injured and concussed due to an accident, the very first thing I'd do is commando roll out of my car and start popping pigs heads.

Especially in Texas.

The Good Reverend Roger

#44
March 22, 2013, 02:29:01 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on March 22, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
Two things jump out at me:

QuoteAuthorities say the suspect collided with an 18-wheeler, got out of his car and kept firing until officers shot him. Texas authorities said he was legally dead but being kept alive in a hospital so his organs might be harvested.

WHAT

Also, "harvested?" No one has said "harvested" in connection with organ donation for like 20 years, and it makes it sound like someone is doing it to him, when that would only be legal if he was a registered donor. That is the strangest wording I've seen for such a situation pretty much ever.

No body afterwards.  All sewn up, no nasty loose ends.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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