Things go boom

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

NSA is culling Verizon phone records. ALL of them.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/verizon-phone-records-secretly-collected-feds-report/story?id=19337223

[Cain]

Does anyone have a second source, or a confirmation that these two guys were the ones who capped the kid?

Yes.  MSNBC, ABC and the FBI press statement all confirm they were involved in the operation which killed Tamerlan.

[LMNO]

Thanks, man.

[Cain]

First thing I did when I saw it was Pravda was put the names of the agents into Google.  Pravda is not a reliable site, which unfortunately does not mean they only post unreliable stories.

Stella, I don't think the Verizon warrant is related to this, though I could be wrong.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

First thing I did when I saw it was Pravda was put the names of the agents into Google.  Pravda is not a reliable site, which unfortunately does not mean they only post unreliable stories.

Stella, I don't think the Verizon warrant is related to this, though I could be wrong.

It's not. They'll use it for an excuse, though.

[Cain]

Well.

Well well well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23541341

One of the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings was in possession of right-wing American literature in the run-up to the attack, BBC Panorama has learnt.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.

He also had reading material on mass killings.

Until now the Tsarnaev brothers were widely perceived as just self-styled radical jihadists.

Panorama has spent months speaking exclusively with friends of the bombers to try to understand the roots of their radicalisation.

'Government conspiracies'

The programme discovered that Tamerlan Tsarnaev possessed articles which argued that both 9/11 and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.

Another in his possession was about "the rape of our gun rights".

Reading material he had about white supremacy commented that "Hitler had a point".

Tamerlan Tsarnaev also had literature which explored what motivated mass killings and noted how the perpetrators murdered and maimed calmly.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, shit.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Well.

Well well well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23541341

One of the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings was in possession of right-wing American literature in the run-up to the attack, BBC Panorama has learnt.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.

He also had reading material on mass killings.

Until now the Tsarnaev brothers were widely perceived as just self-styled radical jihadists.

Panorama has spent months speaking exclusively with friends of the bombers to try to understand the roots of their radicalisation.

'Government conspiracies'

The programme discovered that Tamerlan Tsarnaev possessed articles which argued that both 9/11 and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.

Another in his possession was about "the rape of our gun rights".

Reading material he had about white supremacy commented that "Hitler had a point".

Tamerlan Tsarnaev also had literature which explored what motivated mass killings and noted how the perpetrators murdered and maimed calmly.

I'm dying to know what Fox News will say when they cover this in depth.

[Junkenstein]

I seem to recall some shit about infowars being in the reading material list, other such quality literature too.

Their friends wouldn't all speak openly because they were afraid of being wrongly viewed as associated with terrorism.

'Mike' spent a lot of time in the brothers' flat.

"He (Tamerlan) just didn't like America. He felt like America was just basically attacking all Middle Eastern countries...you know trying to take their oil."

"Mike" seems unaware that he is already under constant surveillance. It's a little unfortunate that none of the friends went on record. Understandable, but I was hoping for one or two to be angry/dumb enough. The BBC will name names in a second if asked anyway so it's fair to assume that anyone who collaborated in the Panorama Piece is on a watch-list for the foreseeable future.

Despite the new info it seems "They" are still pushing the Jihadist angle hard. I bet I know which comes up more in court.

[Cain]

The BBC article still gives greater credence, at least going by line count, to the Islamist explanation.

But the two are not entirely incompatible.  The far-right and Islamist militants both see the US government as their enemy, after all.  And there is, for example in France, evidence of alliances between the two groups.  And ideologically speaking, elements of Islamic extremism work quite well with the far right, both of the fascist and libertarian variety.

[Junkenstein]

It begs the question of if this shit will come up in court. Probably not, it would seem far too much effort to explain the particular nuances of the case when you already have a confession. I think the one notable thing about the eventual trial will be the speed it happens at in all areas.

Which makes me think a little about that "special interrogation unit". Did/would/do they make promises they can't/won't keep to get the intel and confession? Probably. Is there some kind of shaky legal justification for that? Probably. Does anyone want that shit looked at closely in court? Probably not.

It's much simpler to cast the die as "Muslim Radical". It would also explain the hissy fit people pitched over that rolling stone cover. Not like there's any large media organisations "working closely" with governments.

[Junkenstein]

Err
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/23/was-tamerlan-tsarnaev-a-double-agent-recruited-by-the-fbi/

Amid the swirl of mysteries surrounding the alleged Boston bombers, one fact, barely touched upon in the mainstream U.S. media, stands out: There is a strong possibility that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two brothers, was a double agent, perhaps recruited by the FBI.

If Tsarnaev was a double agent, he would be just one of thousands of young people coerced by the FBI, as the price for settling a minor legal problem, into a dangerous career as an informant.

That he was so coerced is the easiest explanation for two seemingly incompatible incidents in his life:

The first is that he returned to Russia in 2012, ostensibly to renew his Russian passport so he could file an application for US citizenship.

The second is that Tsarnaev then jeopardized his citizenship application with conspicuous, provocative — almost theatrical — behavior that seemed more caricature than characteristic of a Muslim extremist.

Again, the media stuns me to silence on days like this.

[Cain]

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[LMNO]

You can get deported for talking to the press?

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

You can get deported for talking to the press?

War on Journalism, dontcha know?