What is so wrong with the women of this* country?

[I_Kicked_Kennedy]

*USA

I was trying to navigate my radio around the AM stations to find a local broadcast my friend was going to be featured on, and I came across the insane rumblings of a radio personality I had heard of, but was not familiar with. I listened for a few minutes out of general curiosity, when I heard this gem:

"...what Americans don't realize is that feminism is the first way Socialism and Fascism introduces itself into a country's fabric. Once we're ok with giving women all of these privileges, they start pushing other ways to break capitalism down. Femenism ruins society, and it is why we have so many single mothers spending a lifetime on welfare and expanding the entitlements that give liberals and socialists the support to destroy the free market system."

Later...

"Why do you have to pay [women] the same? There's plenty of things they can't do as well as men, so why do employers who are already forced to hire them have to pay them the same?"

Now, these quotes are from memory, so it may have been worded a little differently, but it got me to wondering about something. I wish I could directly ask this guy (probably would get screened by the producers, though), "What is your problem with women? What is so wrong about women that you came to these conclusions?"

Basically, I don't understand it. To look at the basic definition of Conservative viewpoints, there's nothing to indicate they should give a shit about feminism, one way or another.  I get that they don't like Affirmative Action, but outside of that, how does that have any bearing on feminism? Feminism, to me, is the simple understanding that women should have equal rights. Makes sense to me. Even as a man, I don't see how that can have any negative effects on me.

Where does this knee jerk disdain for women and women's rights come from? Even if I play devil's advocate and consider it's a religious influence from the Christian Right, I'm still not seeing it. The Catholic Church, for a time, were the ones pushing for women's rights, as we're many Protestant religions.

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

It's about control and privilege maintenance.  If women can be considered equal to men, then men lose a modicum of both control and privilege.

It's really that simple.

[I_Kicked_Kennedy]

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

It's about control and privilege maintenance.  If women can be considered equal to men, then men lose a modicum of both control and privilege.

It's really that simple.

But, prior to 1980, the partisanship of the female vote was pretty even. GOP was getting just as many votes as the Ds until then.  With the neoconservative movement that arrived in that time, what shifted their view?

(Also, I must make a correction... When I said the Catholic Church supported women's rights, I was mostly wrong. The official position of the church on suffrage was different than women's rights. Some bishops and cardinals have spoken, in recent decades, to promote suffrage for women, but in the early stages in America the church official position avoided the topic, but reiterated that, in the home, women should "...honor their husbands." As for "Women's rights", it gets a little messy, as some support the idea, but others condemn it because they consider abortion part of those pesky "women's rights." Biden apparently got a lot of flack for supporting the right to choose not two sentences after stating he was Catholic.  Also, women aren't allowed to vote in church matters, so there's that.)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

It's about control and privilege maintenance.  If women can be considered equal to men, then men lose a modicum of both control and privilege.

It's really that simple.

But, prior to 1980, the partisanship of the female vote was pretty even. GOP was getting just as many votes as the Ds until then.  With the neoconservative movement that arrived in that time, what shifted their view?

Because the conservative movement's "keep things in the 1950s" shifted to "family values", which was a transparent way of saying "put women back in their place", using the religious right as a tool by which to do so.

This alienated many women, obviously, and they went over to the Dems.  This is all hardwired.  The GOP can't back off, so they aren't getting the women's vote back (except for the religious right), and so they are trying to put women down, eliminating them from the political process entirely.

[LMNO]

I am so glad this wasn't a troll thread.

Nothing else to add, except perhaps "women are confusing and scary."

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

They don't LIKE it when they tell a woman to give them a sammich or a blowjob and get all this UPPITY BACKTALK. It's SCARY.

[Suu]

Obviously, women simply need to get back into the kitchen barefoot and do nothing but make babies and steak for their husbands. I mean, that's what my ex-husband always seemed to imply to me.

Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't bring up the idea of revoking women's driver licensing.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

They want Mommy. Not scarey Mommy that yells, but nice Mommy with cookies and big tits. And they will pitch tantrums trying to get that.

[LMNO]

They want Mommy. Not scarey Mommy that yells, but nice Mommy with cookies and big tits. And they will pitch tantrums trying to get that.

To be honest, I'd vote for that.

[Suu]

They want Mommy. Not scarey Mommy that yells, but nice Mommy with cookies and big tits. And they will pitch tantrums trying to get that.

To be honest, I'd vote for that.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

They want Mommy. Not scarey Mommy that yells, but nice Mommy with cookies and big tits. And they will pitch tantrums trying to get that.

To be honest, I'd vote for that.

Of course. But you wouldn't pitch a fit of butthurt if it didn't happen, you'd still have THE GAY BAR.

Hey, maybe that's the solution to ALL of this!

[Cainad (dec.)]

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

It's about control and privilege maintenance.  If women can be considered equal to men, then men lose a modicum of both control and privilege.

It's really that simple.

But, prior to 1980, the partisanship of the female vote was pretty even. GOP was getting just as many votes as the Ds until then.  With the neoconservative movement that arrived in that time, what shifted their view?

Because the conservative movement's "keep things in the 1950s" shifted to "family values", which was a transparent way of saying "put women back in their place", using the religious right as a tool by which to do so.

This alienated many women, obviously, and they went over to the Dems.  This is all hardwired.  The GOP can't back off, so they aren't getting the women's vote back (except for the religious right), and so they are trying to put women down, eliminating them from the political process entirely.

This thread taught me something today. I was vaguely aware that the GOP had been getting increasingly bizarre with women's rights and the religious right, but it's tough when my window of life experience is so brief. The first time I was old enough to have any sense of what was going on in the world of politics was the 2000 election.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

What is it about women that makes their stance so combative? Even if we assume this guy and a handful of others have issues with their masculinity, I don't see how that could carry over into the philosophy of such a large percentage of conservatives? There's got to be a big reason I'm overlooking, that may not seem apparent at first.

Paging TGRR.

It's about control and privilege maintenance.  If women can be considered equal to men, then men lose a modicum of both control and privilege.

It's really that simple.

But, prior to 1980, the partisanship of the female vote was pretty even. GOP was getting just as many votes as the Ds until then.  With the neoconservative movement that arrived in that time, what shifted their view?

Because the conservative movement's "keep things in the 1950s" shifted to "family values", which was a transparent way of saying "put women back in their place", using the religious right as a tool by which to do so.

This alienated many women, obviously, and they went over to the Dems.  This is all hardwired.  The GOP can't back off, so they aren't getting the women's vote back (except for the religious right), and so they are trying to put women down, eliminating them from the political process entirely.

This thread taught me something today. I was vaguely aware that the GOP had been getting increasingly bizarre with women's rights and the religious right, but it's tough when my window of life experience is so brief. The first time I was old enough to have any sense of what was going on in the world of politics was the 2000 election.

I've read in  many feminist doodads about the theory that "pro-life" is basically just a dogwhistle for  "punishing' sluts"

I am dearly waiting to troll the fuck out of one using the Cognitive Dissonance Machine, and playing Logical Fallacy Bingo.

[Pergamos]

As Roger said, it is all about maintaining privilege.  The GOP is about having someone to shit on.  If you are a rich white man you can shit on everyone, if you are not, you need someone to shit on.  The male pobuckers support the GOP even though the GOP shits all over them because the GOP is commited to making sure they can still shit on blacks and immigrants and gays and their wives. 

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

As Roger said, it is all about maintaining privilege.  The GOP is about having someone to shit on.  If you are a rich white man you can shit on everyone, if you are not, you need someone to shit on.  The male pobuckers support the GOP even though the GOP shits all over them because the GOP is commited to making sure they can still shit on blacks and immigrants and gays and their wives.

That sums it up flawlessly.