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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 07:14:42 pm »
i just ordered it thanks!! :)
looking forward to hopefully understanding something about reality from the physicists point of view ;) and to see how he does it under the copenhagen interpretation - which barely makes sense to me  :eek:
now back to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RwdY7Eqyguo#t=874s 
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So particles and fields are the two things we physicists talk about, when we talk about the ingredients that make up reality. If you have a tiny bit of physics education, you may have come upon the question "is light, for example, a particle or a wave", a wave is sort of a vibration in a field. So what is more important, is it the particle aspect of reality or is it the field aspect of reality. It's fields. That's the answer. It's not a mystery, they always tell you that question, they never tell you the answer. I went decades of my life, so what's the answer to this? This is the answer, it's fields. Any questions about that? hehe So, I'm going to tell you a little bit more detail, but not too much, but this is the crucial slide, okay? [Slide says "It's fields"] "[/i]] There's no more information, there's nothing more to come. The reason why the Higgs boson as a concept is hard to grasp, is because you need to stop thinking of the world in terms of particles. You need to start thinking about it in terms of fieds. And you say to yourself, but things like this table are made of atoms, and atoms have electrons and so forth in them, and, and, and the electrons are particles, right? There are particles in the world... no there aren't. [ :eek:]
:eek:  :aaa: then he goes on to explain so now i must go watch to the end a few times   :eek: :aaa:  :eek:

Did you guys know this? I don't know if this is supposed to be well known and plain sensationalism, but I'm so impressed i typed that part of his speech just to quote it!   :aaa:
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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2013, 07:23:54 pm »
i just ordered it thanks!! :)
looking forward to hopefully understanding something about reality from the physicists point of view ;) and to see how he does it under the copenhagen interpretation - which barely makes sense to me  :eek:
now back to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RwdY7Eqyguo#t=874s 
 this guy just said:
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So particles and fields are the two things we physicists talk about, when we talk about the ingredients that make up reality. If you have a tiny bit of physics education, you may have come upon the question "is light, for example, a particle or a wave", a wave is sort of a vibration in a field. So what is more important, is it the particle aspect of reality or is it the field aspect of reality. It's fields. That's the answer. It's not a mystery, they always tell you that question, they never tell you the answer. I went decades of my life, so what's the answer to this? This is the answer, it's fields. Any questions about that? hehe So, I'm going to tell you a little bit more detail, but not too much, but this is the crucial slide, okay? [Slide says "It's fields"] "[/i]] There's no more information, there's nothing more to come. The reason why the Higgs boson as a concept is hard to grasp, is because you need to stop thinking of the world in terms of particles. You need to start thinking about it in terms of fieds. And you say to yourself, but things like this table are made of atoms, and atoms have electrons and so forth in them, and, and, and the electrons are particles, right? There are particles in the world... no there aren't. [ :eek:]
:eek:  :aaa: then he goes on to explain so now i must go watch to the end a few times   :eek: :aaa:  :eek:

Did you guys know this? I don't know if this is supposed to be well known and plain sensationalism, but I'm so impressed i typed that part of his speech just to quote it!   :aaa:

Somewhat. That's around the spot where I left of in Prof. Marburger's book.
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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2013, 02:53:04 am »
I've heard things like it a lot, but I also go out of my way to expose myself to those things. And I still don't get it. Like, at all. I think it's the kind of thing you can beat your head against your whole life and still never really understand it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2013, 03:14:37 am »
I've heard things like it a lot, but I also go out of my way to expose myself to those things. And I still don't get it. Like, at all. I think it's the kind of thing you can beat your head against your whole life and still never really understand it.

Unless you're LMNO's dad. Pretty sure he understood the shit out of it.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2013, 03:26:51 am »
I've heard things like it a lot, but I also go out of my way to expose myself to those things. And I still don't get it. Like, at all. I think it's the kind of thing you can beat your head against your whole life and still never really understand it.

Unless you're LMNO's dad. Pretty sure he understood the shit out of it.

I imagine he did.

The main problem is that, like LMNO said, you can't really picture it since picturing things puts it in the larger than atoms level of reality where shit like that can't happen. I'm hoping that whatever math classes I take will help me understand it a bit better, but I'm thinking of teaching myself calculus and such anyway even if I don't have to take it.
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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2013, 02:27:26 pm »
This is another good introduction, and it's free:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/

Not to get spooky, but when you get really fucking small, it's all clouds of probabilities.

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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2013, 04:18:57 pm »
I've heard things like it a lot, but I also go out of my way to expose myself to those things. And I still don't get it. Like, at all. I think it's the kind of thing you can beat your head against your whole life and still never really understand it.

Unless you're LMNO's dad. Pretty sure he understood the shit out of it.

I imagine he did.

The main problem is that, like LMNO said, you can't really picture it since picturing things puts it in the larger than atoms level of reality where shit like that can't happen. I'm hoping that whatever math classes I take will help me understand it a bit better, but I'm thinking of teaching myself calculus and such anyway even if I don't have to take it.

You're gonna teach yourself calculus?  :aaa: I admire the shit out of people who can teach themselves any kind of math. I am good as fuck at math, but I need someone to talk me through it when I'm learning it.
Im guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk, Charles Wick said. It was very complicated.


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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2013, 04:20:48 pm »
This is another good introduction, and it's free:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/

Not to get spooky, but when you get really fucking small, it's all clouds of probabilities.

I like the parts where they're like, OK listen, it isn't fucking magic, OK?

Not in so many words, but that does seem to be what they're getting at.  :lol:
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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2013, 04:50:31 pm »
Yeah, he really tries to cut out the bullshit.  It's also more traditionally readable than Constructing Reality.

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2013, 05:30:31 pm »
I very well might not succeed at all but i figure its worth a shot. Especially if i dont get something i can spend more time on it.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2013, 05:36:18 pm »
I very well might not succeed at all but i figure its worth a shot. Especially if i dont get something i can spend more time on it.
calculus 1 drove me to screaming fits of rage, amd im good at math and like calculus.

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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2013, 03:01:28 pm »
I've heard things like it a lot, but I also go out of my way to expose myself to those things. And I still don't get it. Like, at all. I think it's the kind of thing you can beat your head against your whole life and still never really understand it.

The main problem is that, like LMNO said, you can't really picture it since picturing things puts it in the larger than atoms level of reality where shit like that can't happen. I'm hoping that whatever math classes I take will help me understand it a bit better, but I'm thinking of teaching myself calculus and such anyway even if I don't have to take it.

I still stare of at nothing every now and then, just trying to imagine it... i gotta start reading that math!

This is another good introduction, and it's free:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/

Not to get spooky, but when you get really fucking small, it's all clouds of probabilities.

GREAT link, thanks again!! :D

probabilities - luckily i'm a statistician at the moment! :) the clouds part might take a while to get though... :?



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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2013, 03:08:00 pm »
This is another good introduction, and it's free:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r5/the_quantum_physics_sequence/

Not to get spooky, but when you get really fucking small, it's all clouds of probabilities.

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Re: unmeasurable particle created???
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2013, 08:14:11 pm »
Well, no one said the Universe had to play fair.

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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2013, 08:16:00 pm »
Well, no one said the Universe had to play fair.

WE have to play fair.  It should, too.  This is BULLSHIT.  It's like letting the house use marked cards.