Machete Terror? '

[Junkenstein]

Monkeys gawking at horrific events while doing nothing to help is as old as time.

What we are witnessing is the ability to spread the gawk at an ever increasing rate.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Monkeys gawking at horrific events while doing nothing to help is as old as time.

What we are witnessing is the ability to spread the gawk at an ever increasing rate.

This.

And the fact that the two guys seemed very media savvy and exploiting it far more slickly than the usual mob. Like it's not just enough to be a terrorist now, you have to be a "presenter"

[Junkenstein]

I'd guess at least half of being an effective terrorist is how good you are at PR.

Osama's frequent tapes, statements of websites and now this.

This still seems to be a random outlier in the most part. The nature of the attack and waiting around for arrest are still very strange to me. I would have assumed that a single violent incident is not the most effective strategy for terror. In this instance it seems you've got 2 arrested "terrorists" for the victim.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

absolutely no problem.

[Cain]

I'd guess at least half of being an effective terrorist is how good you are at PR.

Osama's frequent tapes, statements of websites and now this.

This still seems to be a random outlier in the most part. The nature of the attack and waiting around for arrest are still very strange to me. I would have assumed that a single violent incident is not the most effective strategy for terror. In this instance it seems you've got 2 arrested "terrorists" for the victim.

It's PR, and shows how devoted you are to the cause.

Think of the fi'dais, the pointy end of business for the Assassin sect.  After a killing, they never ran away, never even lifted a hand to protect themselves.  They did so to signal two things:

1) that they were responsible.  This was not an act of simple murder, it was an act of war by the Old Man of the Mountains, and
2) they were so zealous, so convinced of the rightness of their cause, that they would not flee like a common criminal.  They are willing to kill and to die for their cause.

If they had just killed the guy and ran off, then they wouldn't have had their statements beamed across the world by willing reporters.  People might have assumed it was a hit-and-run incident, a mugging gone wrong, or a personal dispute.  The message would have not been made.

Besides, a two man cell is hardly going to bring the country to its knees.  This act itself is only notable for its particular brutality, and the political reasoning behind it.  500 knife murders a year in the UK, after all.  If it were not for the act of staying to communicate their political message, this wouldnt even register as a terrorist attack in most people's minds.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

mate of mine said earlier that his friends on officer training at Southampton Uni have received orders that all armed forces personnel have been ordered not to wear uniforms in London. The military centres there all have armed guards outside.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/05/23/did-muslims-in-oldham-celebrate-the-woolwich-attack-no/

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'd guess at least half of being an effective terrorist is how good you are at PR.

Osama's frequent tapes, statements of websites and now this.

This still seems to be a random outlier in the most part. The nature of the attack and waiting around for arrest are still very strange to me. I would have assumed that a single violent incident is not the most effective strategy for terror. In this instance it seems you've got 2 arrested "terrorists" for the victim.

It's PR, and shows how devoted you are to the cause.

Think of the fi'dais, the pointy end of business for the Assassin sect.  After a killing, they never ran away, never even lifted a hand to protect themselves.  They did so to signal two things:

1) that they were responsible.  This was not an act of simple murder, it was an act of war by the Old Man of the Mountains, and
2) they were so zealous, so convinced of the rightness of their cause, that they would not flee like a common criminal.  They are willing to kill and to die for their cause.

If they had just killed the guy and ran off, then they wouldn't have had their statements beamed across the world by willing reporters.  People might have assumed it was a hit-and-run incident, a mugging gone wrong, or a personal dispute.  The message would have not been made.

Besides, a two man cell is hardly going to bring the country to its knees.  This act itself is only notable for its particular brutality, and the political reasoning behind it.  500 knife murders a year in the UK, after all.  If it were not for the act of staying to communicate their political message, this wouldn't even register as a terrorist attack in most people's minds.

I've been patiently trying to explain this to people all fucking day. Basically the two black guys started out by doing nothing unusual. They knifed a guy to death. This is not even national news. It's a frigging byline in the local press, that's it. It was the witnesses who made it news. The killers lit the fuse, it was the great british public who supplied the powder. It was the subsequent reportage that made it the crime of the frigging century and got the EDL all screaming "burn down the mosques" and half of facebook ranting and raving about what's the world coming to and kick out all the ragheads.

Fine, kick out all the ragheads. You know what'll happen? Tomorrow a guy will get stabbed to death. By a white person. Business as usual. Then what? Kick out all the white people too?

At least these guys were doing it for a reason. I don't have to agree with their reason or agree with how they went about making their point but I'd be a lying bastard if I said they didn't have a point to make. The guy who stabbed the guy to death  last week? or the week before, or the week before that? The one's that never ended up on the news? Pretty sure they didn't even have a point. Or the balls to stick around and make sure it got made.

I respect them for that. I fucking hate them for behaving like complete wankers but you don't have to like someone to respect them. Those last three white guys? I don't like or respect them. They're just fucking animals.

[Junkenstein]

Thanks Gents, I've been thinking about this a bit more and came to similar thoughts to the pair of you.

Also, it's probably notable more as one of the first thing like this that's gone viral. Rotten and other sites have existed since practically the dawn of the internet. You either had to know about them or go looking though. This is one of the first incidents that's spread rapidly in the youtube age. There's also a noticeable lack of police which is what witness footage tends to have at some point. That's probably going to be quite jarring for some when they realise that there's not always police around.

This is going to be spun into needing "More officers on the beat" I think. Notice how there's no mention of the local Police and Crime Commissioner? Also helps expose that as a bullshit do-nothing job. Or this is way above their pay grade.

[Left]

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

[Doktor Howl]

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

Remember that the police aren't actually there to protect people.  They can't do it, unless you want a cop assigned to every person in the country.  Police exist - in theory, anyway - to maintain order.

Or was that just some knee-jerk NRA stuff?  They do some of the finest fear-mongering in the world.

[Left]

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

Remember that the police aren't actually there to protect people. 

True that:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

Or was that just some knee-jerk NRA stuff? 

Both.  But I've found it to be true.
My ex-wife pulled my pistol on some drunk-ass kid who was about to beat and possibly kill another drunk-ass kid on our porch with a steel pipe.

Having a loaded and cocked revolver pointed at his face proved remarkably sobering.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

How the fuck are guns relevant to a discussion about an incident in the UK?

America is NOT the world...

jeez

[Left]

How the fuck are guns relevant to a discussion about an incident in the UK?

America is NOT the world...

jeez

The UK banned guns, now people have to do each other in manually?
You're right, off-topic.

[Cain]

How the fuck are guns relevant to a discussion about an incident in the UK?

America is NOT the world...

jeez

The UK banned guns, now people have to do each other in manually?
You're right, off-topic.

Stop being a douche.

Guns are irrelevant to this discussion.