Prism and Verizon surveillance discussion thread

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/03/19264421-snowden-hunt-bolivia-complains-to-un-over-abduction-of-its-president

No unauthorized people were found on board.

No unauthorized people

unauthorized people

Pretty impressive how quickly all those "spied upon" European governments denied the Bolivains air space... I mean if they were soooo upset with the US...

[Doktor Howl]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/03/19264421-snowden-hunt-bolivia-complains-to-un-over-abduction-of-its-president

No unauthorized people were found on board.

No unauthorized people

unauthorized people

Pretty impressive how quickly all those "spied upon" European governments denied the Bolivains air space... I mean if they were soooo upset with the US...

DOG AND PONY SHOW POSTPONED, AS THE DOG AND PONY ARE REALLY TIRED.

[Doktor Howl]

It's the Curse of Millhaven*, all over again!




*A song by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. I would post the YouTube link, but... YouTube link.

Sounds relevant, though.  My objection was never to youtube links specifically.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/03/19264421-snowden-hunt-bolivia-complains-to-un-over-abduction-of-its-president

No unauthorized people were found on board.

No unauthorized people

unauthorized people

Pretty impressive how quickly all those "spied upon" European governments denied the Bolivains air space... I mean if they were soooo upset with the US...

DOG AND PONY SHOW POSTPONED, AS THE DOG AND PONY ARE REALLY TIRED.

Well they've been working overtime.

[LMNO]

It's the Curse of Millhaven*, all over again!




*A song by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. I would post the YouTube link, but... YouTube link.

Sounds relevant, though.  My objection was never to youtube links specifically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACG9wv69bKU

[Junkenstein]

Excellent article on the related media coverage.
http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/establishment-tv/

Can't really quote in part without losing the context. Looking more at how this event is portrayed particularly by the BBC and consideration of other shows broadcast by the BBC. Also helps give you a chuckle every time you hear about how much everyone trusts the BBC. No wonder the license fee is so important and the execs are so well paid.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

http://0v.org/an-open-letter-to-president-obama

Someone added a lot of words and took out all my fucks, but this is a version of that thing I wrote. Apparently the NYT doesn't allow call-out threads on the op ed pages 

[Left]

http://0v.org/an-open-letter-to-president-obama

Someone added a lot of words and took out all my fucks, but this is a version of that thing I wrote. Apparently the NYT doesn't allow call-out threads on the op ed pages 

Plagiarizing parasitic bastid!

If you have it posted somewhere else though, with something showing you posted prior to him posting? 
(Which I don't know if it's doable / how to do)
You could forward such evidence to the bloodsucker's boss.

If I write something political, I'm cool with being plagiarized, I guess?  Unless it gets warped into some Randroid monstrosity or something.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

http://0v.org/an-open-letter-to-president-obama

Someone added a lot of words and took out all my fucks, but this is a version of that thing I wrote. Apparently the NYT doesn't allow call-out threads on the op ed pages 

Plagiarizing parasitic bastid!

If you have it posted somewhere else though, with something showing you posted prior to him posting? 
(Which I don't know if it's doable / how to do)
You could forward such evidence to the bloodsucker's boss.

If I write something political, I'm cool with being plagiarized, I guess?  Unless it gets warped into some Randroid monstrosity or something.

No, no I gave it to him and asked him to put his name on it. Sorry that wasn't clear.

[Left]

http://0v.org/an-open-letter-to-president-obama

Someone added a lot of words and took out all my fucks, but this is a version of that thing I wrote. Apparently the NYT doesn't allow call-out threads on the op ed pages 

Plagiarizing parasitic bastid!

If you have it posted somewhere else though, with something showing you posted prior to him posting? 
(Which I don't know if it's doable / how to do)
You could forward such evidence to the bloodsucker's boss.

If I write something political, I'm cool with being plagiarized, I guess?  Unless it gets warped into some Randroid monstrosity or something.

No, no I gave it to him and asked him to put his name on it. Sorry that wasn't clear.

Ok.  COOL...hope it gets all over the place then.

[Salty]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0708/461286-edward-snowden/



I love this shit.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

This is why everyone wants to be Irish.

[The Johnny]

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion-mexico/2013/mexico-pide-a-eu-explicar-espionaje--935087.html

The SRE (Foreign Relations Secretary) "energically condemns" any deviation from the practices that must rule the relation between countries, that must be conducted with respect and attachment to the legal framework

[Junkenstein]

Largely bullshit article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23269125

Point of interest:

Def Con's request comes as Yahoo seeks permission to publish information about a key legal case in 2008 that let the US government establish and justify Prism.

Yahoo has filed legal papers asking for permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisc), which decides whether US government departments such as the National Security Agency can carry out surveillance programmes.

In 2008, Yahoo had "objected strenuously" to the Fisc over requests for it to co-operate with the early Prism programme, it said. But its objections had been over-ruled by the Fisc.

Publishing those objections and the Fisc's justification for denying them would inform public debate about whether the Fisc had been correct to give the go-ahead for Prism and subsequent surveillance projects, it said. US laws mean the legal papers from 2008 are classified.

"Courts have long recognised the public has a right to access court records," Yahoo wrote

[Junkenstein]

The "end" seems near:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23328074

Fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden applies for asylum in Russia, officials say

Russia, that most ardent defender of free speech and not spying on your own people. At least he's not likely to be extradited. I would guess that Russia can't really hand him over due to the public stances taken in the past. Anything like that would be written as a gloating victory in western press and I doubt Putin could stomach that any more than I could.

Arguably one of the smarter moves he can/could make. US political power practically confined him anyway. I would guess that he's done this as all info has been passed on, thus he can remain without harming US interests. Technically.