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Started by Wolfgang Absolutus, June 12, 2013, 01:55:40 PM

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Wolfgang Absolutus

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
No, I think there are ways to effect change. We don't have to be stuck. It does, however, take mass action.
Well certainly. Though I think maybe my mistake was being a little too focused on how to impose some kind of anarchist ego-trip on others so that they would want to take mass action. I think I need to learn a little more about doing nothing constructively and being mu. There are times to act and there are times to do nothing, times to go with the flow and times to fight desperately. It takes a certain amount of illumination to discern the difference and a certain something something else to find that illumination within rather than without.

I think there are ways to constructively work with other people in ways that do jive with non servium like doing a Really Really Free Market or something, and many of thsoe can be considered mass action. But I am also starting to think that more innovation is necessary to try and figure out more effective ways of living than this. While we don't have to be stuck in the squo but we are stuck with our past and the way it has shaped us and the actions we take. People who went through the depression collected pennies way after it was over. That's apart of the cultural inertia of The Machine. Working individually with one's self is then the first step.

My point here I guess being that Mass Action needs to happen organically. The geese have to break out of their bottles individually and then recognize each other as brethren. If you try to recognize the other geese before you break out the bottle you end up with a distorted vision of those around you, a vision that will remain for some time. Which of course ends up with us treating each other as though we were still in bottles, which is functionally the same.

I suppose that is a larger problem with revolutionary movements. Often they revert back to what they had before, just in some transmuted form. They didn't resolve the fascist drive within themselves before they deposed the fascists who ruled over them externally.
Thinking and Breathing are my main occupations.

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"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Wolfgang Absolutus

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.
Thinking and Breathing are my main occupations.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Wolfgang Absolutus

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I did google Uncle BadTouch and http://Uncle BadTouch.org/ came up. Was that what you were talking about?
Thinking and Breathing are my main occupations.

Left

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
No, I think there are ways to effect change. We don't have to be stuck. It does, however, take mass action.
...We'd have to move our masses.

That's hard to achieve...

Hope was the thing with feathers.
I smacked it with a hammer until it was red and squashy

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 05:39:27 AM
Well fine I had suspected that the anarchist project was naive at best, though you seem to be confirming it. So then what can be done to change the way the global state capitalist machine works to act in the favor of more people? What can actually be done with this kind of world?
Then again I might be eating the menu here. Focusing on one's life in a more individual way  in terms of reshaping how one relates to the world and is treated by it seems to be a better solution from this angle. Changing the world in some universal grand way is a recipe for all kinds of foolish things and is generally focusing on the wrong level of the problem, if that problem is about the way we live our lives individually.
So then the first scenario of my last post is true and we are kind of stuck with the products of our past and our current biology. Thanks for all your help.

You're living in the time period under which government is at its most benevolent in history.

What are you upset about?
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I did google Uncle BadTouch and http://Uncle BadTouch.org/ came up. Was that what you were talking about?

Oh, boy.

You fuckers are a persistent bunch.
Molon Lube

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Handle technically has "Wolf" in it.


just saying...

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 17, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
Handle technically has "Wolf" in it.


just saying...

Yeah, but there's nothing else to do in this sewer, is there?  No.  So we fuck with the Loveshady arse biscuit.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 17, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
No, I think there are ways to effect change. We don't have to be stuck. It does, however, take mass action.
...We'd have to move our masses.

That's hard to achieve...


For all the twee cynicism people are so fond of bandying about, social conditions have changed phenomenally for the better in many areas of life in just the last 40 years.

That's not a reason to disregard the negative changes that are taking place, like the consolidation of wealth and corporate power, but it does give me cause for hope.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 17, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I did google Uncle BadTouch and http://Uncle BadTouch.org/ came up. Was that what you were talking about?

Oh, boy.

You fuckers are a persistent bunch.

S/he probably isn't one of them. If she's not, she'll let us know. If she is, she'll talk around it like they all do. If there really is more than one, which I doubt.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Left

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 17, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 17, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
No, I think there are ways to effect change. We don't have to be stuck. It does, however, take mass action.
...We'd have to move our masses.

That's hard to achieve...


For all the twee cynicism people are so fond of bandying about, social conditions have changed phenomenally for the better in many areas of life in just the last 40 years.

That's not a reason to disregard the negative changes that are taking place, like the consolidation of wealth and corporate power, but it does give me cause for hope.

Ah, Nigel, you're missing the real point of  defensive pessimism-you're either right or pleasantly surprised.


Hope was the thing with feathers.
I smacked it with a hammer until it was red and squashy

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 18, 2013, 04:38:17 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 17, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on June 17, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 09:02:51 PM
No, I think there are ways to effect change. We don't have to be stuck. It does, however, take mass action.
...We'd have to move our masses.

That's hard to achieve...


For all the twee cynicism people are so fond of bandying about, social conditions have changed phenomenally for the better in many areas of life in just the last 40 years.

That's not a reason to disregard the negative changes that are taking place, like the consolidation of wealth and corporate power, but it does give me cause for hope.

Ah, Nigel, you're missing the real point of  defensive pessimism-you're either right or pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, but I can't do that because it renders everything I'm doing with my life meaningless.  :p
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Wolfgang Absolutus

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 17, 2013, 11:31:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 17, 2013, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 11:34:27 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: Wolfgang Absolutus on June 16, 2013, 10:52:14 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 16, 2013, 10:46:17 PM
Uncle BadTouch?
I suppose shade is kind of nice. Though when it's not too hot it feels kind of good to just sit on the grass in the sun.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I did google Uncle BadTouch and http://Uncle BadTouch.org/ came up. Was that what you were talking about?

Oh, boy.

You fuckers are a persistent bunch.

S/he probably isn't one of them. If she's not, she'll let us know. If she is, she'll talk around it like they all do. If there really is more than one, which I doubt.
I suppose there isn't a way to prove that I'm not, though I genuinely don't understand a lot of what is happening over on that Uncle BadTouch site after looking at it for a bit.
Thinking and Breathing are my main occupations.