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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

That second one is very interesting, and potentially alarming.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 06, 2013, 02:12:50 AM
That second one is very interesting, and potentially alarming.

What's weird is that it's been scaring the dogshit out of the WHO for a solid year, and this is the first I've heard of it.
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They seem really concerned for something that hasn't proven to be very contagious yet. But 42 deaths out of 79 cases isn't comforting odds.
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MERS has been reported, on and off, by the BBC.  But it's never been a high priority story though, it's true.

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Cool link to an online news article from a major outlet. This one is definitely better than the link to an online news article from a major outlet in every other thread on this board, IMO.

Suu

It's not moving as fast as SARS did. Thankfully, so they make be able to act against it faster. In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems. Smallpox (The Antonine Plague) The Plague of Justinian, the Black Death, and the Third Pandemic (Bubonic mutations) are just to name a few. I am in no way a pathologist, so I have no real incite into this other than historical, but I find it fascinating.

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My mom was exposed at work a few years ago, we all ended up with SARS.

In my case though? this was prior to sinus surgery number one...and I was like "I can't really tell."
Because it was only *slightly* worse than I'd been daily for a few years from the antibiotic-resistant infection I've  STILL got in my FUCKING  HEAD!

Fuckers out there need to stop fucking dying from this piddly-ass shit!
Fuckin' pussies.
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I had the flu for the first time in almost 10 years this January, it was a strain that was not covered by this season's shot. I don't always get sick, but when I do it's things that can kill people, like scarlet fever, mono, pneumonia, and severe strains of the flu that make it impossible for me to function for days/weeks/months.
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Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.

I remember viewing a TV spot about that...

In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/

QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.

I remember viewing a TV spot about that...

In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/

QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily

I know it's been reported that way, but the real picture is a bit different from the image of "a few pigs wandering around a barnyard with chickens": whats happening is that massive hog lots where the animals are kept penned and fed waste bedding and dead chickens from the equally unsanitary chicken barns are stellar breeding grounds for both bacteria and viruses.

The same is true in Europe and the US, as well.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Of course, don't forget LA-MRSA, brought to you by The Netherlands. http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/11/11-1850_article.htm
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 07, 2013, 02:23:08 AM
Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 07, 2013, 01:50:39 AM
Quote from: Suu on July 07, 2013, 12:14:32 AM
In my readings I'm starting to notice a pattern of these diseases that seem to originate in Asia. You always see these "plagues" that are brought in from the East to the Western World that cause some serious problems.

I remember viewing a TV spot about that...

In China and other parts of Asia...well, in non-Muslim areas at any rate, it's pretty typical to keep a few pigs in a pen in the yard...and have chickens wandering around, because chickens help eliminate a lot of insect pests, you know.
...So you have pigs, chickens, and people in close proximity...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702078/

QuoteBecause swine are susceptible to infection with both avian and human influenza viruses, genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza viruses can occur when these viruses co-infect an individual pig (Scholtissek, 1990). The double (avian/human; human/swine) and triple (human/avian/swine) reassortant influenza A viruses isolated from pigs in the United States or China provide supportive evidence for the "mixing vessel" theory. As early as 1919, Koen, an inspector with the U.S. Bureau of Animal Industry, was pointing out that influenza outbreaks began with either pigs or people, but were then rapidly transferred to each other (1919). In an extensive review of avian influenza Greger (2006) commented: "It was never clear, though, whether the pigs were the culprits or the victims. Did we infect the pigs or did they infect us". It seems that both species are able to infect each other easily

I know it's been reported that way, but the real picture is a bit different from the image of "a few pigs wandering around a barnyard with chickens": whats happening is that massive hog lots where the animals are kept penned and fed waste bedding and dead chickens from the equally unsanitary chicken barns are stellar breeding grounds for both bacteria and viruses.

The same is true in Europe and the US, as well.
Oh, factory farms are a whole different pile of maggot-infested, antibiotic-resistant pathogen-infested shit.
I wasn't aware Asia had really gone in for factory farming like we have.
I was under the impression that a lot of there farming was still small-to-medium sized family farms...
I don't know why,  that was pretty dumb of me.  After all I was aware millions were moving off the land and into cities in China and elsewhere.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/766495/asian_factory_farming_boom_spreading_animal_diseases_like_avian_influenza.html

Quote'Wealthy countries are effectively dealing with livestock diseases, but in Africa and Asia, the capacity of veterinary services to track and control outbreaks is lagging dangerously behind livestock intensification. This lack of capacity is particularly dangerous because many poor people in the world still rely on farm animals to feed their families, while rising demand for meat, milk and eggs among urban consumers in the developing world is fueling a rapid intensification of livestock production,' he said.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Yeah, they've been relying on factory farming for a long time.

It's important to note that they don't have the same capacity for dealing with outbreaks, but that doesn't mean that's where all of these zoonotic diseases are arising; Europe is the biggest culprit with LA-MRSA and probably E. coli strain ST131, but the Americas brought us the joy of H1N1. Nobody gets left out!

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."