You know, sometimes I think that Pix and Nigel go a little overboard.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, according to Suu, "the majority of men are filthy misogynists" because of this.

https://www.facebook.com/kaousuu/posts/10151597164558143?comment_id=27661009&offset=0&total_comments=24&notif_t=share_reply

IRONY METER PEGGED.

I can't see Facebook stuff. But it sounds chockful of  .

Someone prove to me, again, that the majority of men in this world aren't filthy, misogynist pigs who only care about physical attractiveness? Because I'm not convinced yet.

Later:

Hamish Howl So, Angela Costello, I'm not interested in proving SHIT.
21 minutes ago · Like
Angela Costello You don't have to. I said majority, not everyone. I had a fucking issue today in Dunkin Donuts as well. Some Skeezebucket decided to look me over very obnoxiously. I must have been "asking for it" in my t-shirt and jeans.

Correct response would be something along the lines of "Got a problem, fuckface?", not "ZOMG I HAET MENS"

Not enough DRAMA that way.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And THEN...

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/54864863081/womens-wimbledon-champion-marion-bartoli-deemed

Yeah, it's fucking depressing as fuck. Also reminds me of Dustin Hoffman: http://www.upworthy.com/dustin-hoffman-breaks-down-crying-explaining-something-that-every-woman-sadly-already-experienced-3?c=gt1

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I remember when they used to talk like that about Chelsea Clinton.

When she was TWELVE.

Yeah.  Something about "the family dog", IIRC.  Limbaugh always was a class act.

Yep. And every female politician ever. Because the idea that females have no value if they aren't pretty is so ingrained. Even Margaret Thatcher and Ann Coulter. And you know, the thing is, it fucking stabs me in the gut a little whenever someone refers to "Mann Coulter" or talks about thinking about Thatcher to cool down arousal, because THE PROBLEM WITH THEM ISN'T WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. And the message is, if you, as a woman, aren't fuckable... your ideas aren't worth listening to.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, fucking hell. MANY men do eye women as pieces of meat, because they've essentially been programmed to do so, much like MANY women have been programmed to think of their own value only in terms of attractiveness, and men in terms of financial support. This is a sad reality. Neither is OK, and the thing is, emphasizing the DIVISIONS is the worst possible response. Again, calling to the Common Walls project on this one. I know "those" men are out there, but the men I know and love are not like that, and the more of US (men and women who see each other as equals)  there are, the less power THEY (men and women who see each other as adversaries) there will be... and further, the less comfortable they will feel expressing their bullshit divisions, and in turn, the less future generations will pick up on them.

[The Johnny]

So, I guess no woman deserves to be recognized for their achievements unless they are hot. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

So, I guess no woman deserves to be recognized for their achievements unless they are hot. 

That's kind of the gist of the assholes, sadly.

[P3nT4gR4m]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

There's also a newfangled intellectual reaction to smart. The two things should bear absolutely no relation to one another but, unfortunately, this is often not the case, especially when you factor in teh stoopid.

Society works along the same lines, given that it's a meta-property of dumb apes.

It is what it is. Net change seems positive but dragging knuckles slow the process 

[Reginald Ret]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

Not hardwired.
Can be reprogrammed.
Is hard.
Requires selfreflection.

[The Johnny]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

There's also a newfangled intellectual reaction to smart. The two things should bear absolutely no relation to one another but, unfortunately, this is often not the case, especially when you factor in teh stoopid.

Society works along the same lines, given that it's a meta-property of dumb apes.

It is what it is. Net change seems positive but dragging knuckles slow the process 

but shes just average, not hideous.

i get your point, but id emphasise more on gender roles rather than appealing to "hard wiring"

[P3nT4gR4m]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

Not hardwired.
Can be reprogrammed.
Is hard.
Requires selfreflection.

Why would you want to reprogram your own basic mating response? I happen to like mine. Hawt chicks are awesome to look at. The important bit for me is to separate OMG - instaboner from any non superfluous judgement calls. So we arrive at "wouldn't want to fuck person A but they're wicked smart and fun to be around" or "Person B has nice tits but drones on about retarded banal shit til you just want to punch yourself unconscious."

For a lot of guys they'd pick Person B over Person A even if it was just to hang out in the friendzone. The phrase "Dick does the thinking" is a real thing.

but shes just average, not hideous.

i get your point, but id emphasise more on gender roles rather than appealing to "hard wiring"

Where did gender roles come from, tho? Retarded apes?

[The Johnny]

but shes just average, not hideous.

i get your point, but id emphasise more on gender roles rather than appealing to "hard wiring"

Where did gender roles come from, tho? Retarded apes?

i guess? sounds like a simple answer to a complex problem do.

[P3nT4gR4m]

It's not an answer. It's the opposite of an answer. Hardwiring - drives society - reinforces hardwiring. It's a feedback loop that makes the problem even harder to solve.

[Reginald Ret]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

Not hardwired.
Can be reprogrammed.
Is hard.
Requires selfreflection.

Why would you want to reprogram your own basic mating response? I happen to like mine. Hawt chicks are awesome to look at. The important bit for me is to separate OMG - instaboner from any non superfluous judgement calls. So we arrive at "wouldn't want to fuck person A but they're wicked smart and fun to be around" or "Person B has nice tits but drones on about retarded banal shit til you just want to punch yourself unconscious."

For a lot of guys they'd pick Person B over Person A even if it was just to hang out in the friendzone. The phrase "Dick does the thinking" is a real thing.

Personally?
Because I can and because my standard were too high, it made me miserable.
Quite often I am still miserable but now i have better reasons.

I totally agree about the importance of knowing where your judgements are coming from.

[P3nT4gR4m]

There's a perfectly normal biological/psychological reaction to hawt and a corresponding aversion to hideous. Both women and men respond to this hardwiring.

Not hardwired.
Can be reprogrammed.
Is hard.
Requires selfreflection.

Why would you want to reprogram your own basic mating response? I happen to like mine. Hawt chicks are awesome to look at. The important bit for me is to separate OMG - instaboner from any non superfluous judgement calls. So we arrive at "wouldn't want to fuck person A but they're wicked smart and fun to be around" or "Person B has nice tits but drones on about retarded banal shit til you just want to punch yourself unconscious."

For a lot of guys they'd pick Person B over Person A even if it was just to hang out in the friendzone. The phrase "Dick does the thinking" is a real thing.

Personally?
Because I can and because my standard were too high, it made me miserable.
Quite often I am still miserable but now i have better reasons.

I totally agree about the importance of knowing where your judgements are coming from.

Fair enough. I was celibate for a couple of years. I found it empowering. That feeling of being in charge of my shit remained even after I gave it up.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Internet.

I mean, there HAD to be people saying things like that about Billie Jean King (who actually was pretty unattractive) but you never heard it.