What did you do with my RWHN?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

My political stance is very Maine.

Of course it is my location.

No. Your political stance is New Hampshire.

No, that would be my girlfriend.  I am very Moderate Maine.

Oh, that would explain the sudden loss of cool points, then. You're dating a racist, gun-toting, lake-house owning Freestater. Makes sense. People like her make me glad that MA stopped charging sales tax on liquor, because now I don't have to drive 2 hours to contribute to an economy driven by libertarian pieces of shit. I'll just give it to the commies instead.

Da, tovarish.

[AFK]

My political stance is very Maine.

Of course it is my location.

No. Your political stance is New Hampshire.

No, that would be my girlfriend.  I am very Moderate Maine.

Oh, that would explain the sudden loss of cool points, then. You're dating a racist, gun-toting, lake-house owning Freestater. Makes sense. People like her make me glad that MA stopped charging sales tax on liquor, because now I don't have to drive 2 hours to contribute to an economy driven by libertarian pieces of shit. I'll just give it to the commies instead.

Actually she doesn't own a gun, has never held a gun, is quite not-racist.  She is a Libertarian, but very liberal socially.  She's pretty cool.  I'm a very lucky guy.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Doesn't need to be portrayed at all.

I disagree entirely.

Letting people believe that the bombers were vague, scary, foreign-looking terrorists allows assumptions to be reinforced. Stupid, alienating, Other-ing assumptions. And people absolutely did assume that the bombers were swarthy Muslim-looking men, even after learning that they were from Chechnya, because what American even knows what a Chechnyan looks like. I sure as shit wouldn't have known off the top of my head.

Attaching the real, human face to the incident is critical to reminding people that monsters aren't The Other. They look like the rest of us, and they can even look good to the rest of us.

It's the 21st fucking century. We don't need to rely on modern bogeymen to replace the monsters, changelings, and other inhuman excuses to try and distance ourselves from those who commit evil. Make us stare it in the goddamn face and come to terms with something for once in our miserable crawl on this muddy rock.

No Cainad, we need to go ostrich style, hide our heads under the sand and pretend that it was a muslim lone-wolf sociopathic monster that was not at all played by different groups of people for their own interests.

I mean, such assholes by not letting me keep my preconceived prejudices about a person that must be scape-goated to oblivion so that it's surrounding context of creation and influence can be ignored because it insists on shitty systemic situations that happen over and over again and denounces that some things are not handled as it should.

No, Johnny, understanding how this came to be isn't important. What's important is punishing people, because that's been working for us so well as a culture, so far.

Understanding things never helped nobody with nothing.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You and your ivory tower ideas!

[Cainad (dec.)]

Doesn't need to be portrayed at all.

I disagree entirely.

Letting people believe that the bombers were vague, scary, foreign-looking terrorists allows assumptions to be reinforced. Stupid, alienating, Other-ing assumptions. And people absolutely did assume that the bombers were swarthy Muslim-looking men, even after learning that they were from Chechnya, because what American even knows what a Chechnyan looks like. I sure as shit wouldn't have known off the top of my head.

Attaching the real, human face to the incident is critical to reminding people that monsters aren't The Other. They look like the rest of us, and they can even look good to the rest of us.

It's the 21st fucking century. We don't need to rely on modern bogeymen to replace the monsters, changelings, and other inhuman excuses to try and distance ourselves from those who commit evil. Make us stare it in the goddamn face and come to terms with something for once in our miserable crawl on this muddy rock.

No Cainad, we need to go ostrich style, hide our heads under the sand and pretend that it was a muslim lone-wolf sociopathic monster that was not at all played by different groups of people for their own interests.

I mean, such assholes by not letting me keep my preconceived prejudices about a person that must be scape-goated to oblivion so that it's surrounding context of creation and influence can be ignored because it insists on shitty systemic situations that happen over and over again and denounces that some things are not handled as it should.

No, Johnny, understanding how this came to be isn't important. What's important is punishing people, because that's been working for us so well as a culture, so far.

Understanding things never helped nobody with nothing.

They are not like us.

They did not come from our stock.

The only reason they're still around is because we haven't managed to kill off, imprison, or otherwise incapacitate The Bad People.

They're just bad. Nothing made them bad, they're just that way and need to be stopped.

Keep doing what you're doing. Don't look at them, don't think about them. We've got them locked up, strung up, put away, put down.

The Bad People must have come from some deep dark pit somewhere; don't go looking for it. Don't ask how they came to do terrible things. It certainly has nothing to do with the very same society you grew up in, live in, and are a part of.

Just another ugly mystery, not meant for us to solve.

Grieve for the victims, and forget.

Forget.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Ain't he sum kinda Commie? He got a funny name, Ah thank it's Rushin or A-rab or somethin'. They shoulda never put his pichur up but he ain't white, Ah know a half-Meskin looks like that.
             /

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Doesn't need to be portrayed at all.

I disagree entirely.

Letting people believe that the bombers were vague, scary, foreign-looking terrorists allows assumptions to be reinforced. Stupid, alienating, Other-ing assumptions. And people absolutely did assume that the bombers were swarthy Muslim-looking men, even after learning that they were from Chechnya, because what American even knows what a Chechnyan looks like. I sure as shit wouldn't have known off the top of my head.

Attaching the real, human face to the incident is critical to reminding people that monsters aren't The Other. They look like the rest of us, and they can even look good to the rest of us.

It's the 21st fucking century. We don't need to rely on modern bogeymen to replace the monsters, changelings, and other inhuman excuses to try and distance ourselves from those who commit evil. Make us stare it in the goddamn face and come to terms with something for once in our miserable crawl on this muddy rock.

No Cainad, we need to go ostrich style, hide our heads under the sand and pretend that it was a muslim lone-wolf sociopathic monster that was not at all played by different groups of people for their own interests.

I mean, such assholes by not letting me keep my preconceived prejudices about a person that must be scape-goated to oblivion so that it's surrounding context of creation and influence can be ignored because it insists on shitty systemic situations that happen over and over again and denounces that some things are not handled as it should.

No, Johnny, understanding how this came to be isn't important. What's important is punishing people, because that's been working for us so well as a culture, so far.

Understanding things never helped nobody with nothing.

They are not like us.

They did not come from our stock.

The only reason they're still around is because we haven't managed to kill off, imprison, or otherwise incapacitate The Bad People.

They're just bad. Nothing made them bad, they're just that way and need to be stopped.

Keep doing what you're doing. Don't look at them, don't think about them. We've got them locked up, strung up, put away, put down.

The Bad People must have come from some deep dark pit somewhere; don't go looking for it. Don't ask how they came to do terrible things. It certainly has nothing to do with the very same society you grew up in, live in, and are a part of.

Just another ugly mystery, not meant for us to solve.

Grieve for the victims, and forget.

Forget.

Don't go asking questions and looking for reasons. Reasons imply that maybe people aren't born bad, and that maybe something, or several things, influences to become that way. This kind of thinking scares people, and that's terrorism. Making them think that perfectly ordinary kids, white kids, might grow up to do bad things. You know that's crazy talk, that picture should never have seen the light of day, let alone dialogue about how such a normal-looking American teenager could have turned into a monster. "Turned" is the wrong word, you see; that's the wrong question. It's a terrorist question, and when you start asking questions like that it implies that there's something wrong with America. The real question ought to be how those damn terrorist immigrants got here in the first place, we need to lock down our borders and stop asking questions. For America!

[Cainad (dec.)]

Identifying reasons why a person might commit horrible acts is the same as justifying those acts!

Attempting to see things from their perspective to figure out what led to their crimes is the same as sympathizing with them!


LOOK IT'S JUST BAD HORRIBLE STUFF OKAY, LOOKING TOO CLOSELY AT IT IS MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO BEING OKAY WITH IT

So say a lot of things about how horrible it all is, remember the blood and death and weeping, and forget everything that led up to it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Doesn't need to be portrayed at all.

I disagree entirely.

Letting people believe that the bombers were vague, scary, foreign-looking terrorists allows assumptions to be reinforced. Stupid, alienating, Other-ing assumptions. And people absolutely did assume that the bombers were swarthy Muslim-looking men, even after learning that they were from Chechnya, because what American even knows what a Chechnyan looks like. I sure as shit wouldn't have known off the top of my head.

Attaching the real, human face to the incident is critical to reminding people that monsters aren't The Other. They look like the rest of us, and they can even look good to the rest of us.

It's the 21st fucking century. We don't need to rely on modern bogeymen to replace the monsters, changelings, and other inhuman excuses to try and distance ourselves from those who commit evil. Make us stare it in the goddamn face and come to terms with something for once in our miserable crawl on this muddy rock.

No Cainad, we need to go ostrich style, hide our heads under the sand and pretend that it was a muslim lone-wolf sociopathic monster that was not at all played by different groups of people for their own interests.

I mean, such assholes by not letting me keep my preconceived prejudices about a person that must be scape-goated to oblivion so that it's surrounding context of creation and influence can be ignored because it insists on shitty systemic situations that happen over and over again and denounces that some things are not handled as it should.

No, Johnny, understanding how this came to be isn't important. What's important is punishing people, because that's been working for us so well as a culture, so far.

Understanding things never helped nobody with nothing.

They are not like us.

They did not come from our stock.

The only reason they're still around is because we haven't managed to kill off, imprison, or otherwise incapacitate The Bad People.

They're just bad. Nothing made them bad, they're just that way and need to be stopped.

Keep doing what you're doing. Don't look at them, don't think about them. We've got them locked up, strung up, put away, put down.

The Bad People must have come from some deep dark pit somewhere; don't go looking for it. Don't ask how they came to do terrible things. It certainly has nothing to do with the very same society you grew up in, live in, and are a part of.

Just another ugly mystery, not meant for us to solve.

Grieve for the victims, and forget.

Forget.

Don't go asking questions and looking for reasons. Reasons imply that maybe people aren't born bad, and that maybe something, or several things, influences to become that way. This kind of thinking scares people, and that's terrorism. Making them think that perfectly ordinary kids, white kids, might grow up to do bad things. You know that's crazy talk, that picture should never have seen the light of day, let alone dialogue about how such a normal-looking American teenager could have turned into a monster. "Turned" is the wrong word, you see; that's the wrong question. It's a terrorist question, and when you start asking questions like that it implies that there's something wrong with America. The real question ought to be how those damn terrorist immigrants got here in the first place, we need to lock down our borders and stop asking questions. For America!

No one wakes up one morning and goes, "I'm going to kill a shitload of people."

It's a process that makes that happen. Much in the same way that the Tsarnaev brothers probably didn't wake up one morning and say "I'm going to become an American citizen today."

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Identifying reasons why a person might commit horrible acts is the same as justifying those acts!

Attempting to see things from their perspective to figure out what led to their crimes is the same as sympathizing with them!


LOOK IT'S JUST BAD HORRIBLE STUFF OKAY, LOOKING TOO CLOSELY AT IT IS MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO BEING OKAY WITH IT

So say a lot of things about how horrible it all is, remember the blood and death and weeping, and forget everything that led up to it.

And don't forget to be OUTRAGED, and to call for unspeakable acts of violence to be perpetrated upon the accused with utter disregard for any ethical standards or legal proceedings, so that everyone knows how AGAINST IT you are.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Identifying reasons why a person might commit horrible acts is the same as justifying those acts!

Attempting to see things from their perspective to figure out what led to their crimes is the same as sympathizing with them!


LOOK IT'S JUST BAD HORRIBLE STUFF OKAY, LOOKING TOO CLOSELY AT IT IS MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO BEING OKAY WITH IT

So say a lot of things about how horrible it all is, remember the blood and death and weeping, and forget everything that led up to it.

And don't forget to be OUTRAGED, and to call for unspeakable acts of violence to be perpetrated upon the accused with utter disregard for any ethical standards or legal proceedings, so that everyone knows how AGAINST IT you are.

The uncomfortable fact here is that being OUTRAGED might lead you to be like them. It might make you approve of things like killing people who are not a threat to society. But we have to have REVENGE.

[Cainad (dec.)]

We need due process of law and the underpinnings of a civilized society EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE TIME OKAY

[Doktor Howl]

Identifying reasons why a person might commit horrible acts is the same as justifying those acts!

Attempting to see things from their perspective to figure out what led to their crimes is the same as sympathizing with them!


LOOK IT'S JUST BAD HORRIBLE STUFF OKAY, LOOKING TOO CLOSELY AT IT IS MORALLY EQUIVALENT TO BEING OKAY WITH IT

So say a lot of things about how horrible it all is, remember the blood and death and weeping, and forget everything that led up to it.

And don't forget to be OUTRAGED, and to call for unspeakable acts of violence to be perpetrated upon the accused with utter disregard for any ethical standards or legal proceedings, so that everyone knows how AGAINST IT you are.

And then RWHN was Khara.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

We need due process of law and the underpinnings of a civilized society EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE TIME OKAY

Well, due process of law is for regular Americans, not for terrorists. That's silly!

[Nephew Twiddleton]

We need due process of law and the underpinnings of a civilized society EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE TIME OKAY

Well, due process of law is for regular Americans, not for terrorists. That's silly!

But... but... what if they are both, like Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?