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Started by Left, July 18, 2013, 10:25:14 AM

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Left

WHY didn't I  get taught about this in sociology class???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

QuoteDunning and Kruger set out to test these hypotheses on Cornell undergraduates in psychology courses. In a series of studies, they examined the subjects' self-assessment of logical reasoning skills, grammatical skills, and humor. After being shown their test scores, the subjects were again asked to estimate their own rank: the competent group accurately estimated their rank, while the incompetent group still overestimated theirs. As Dunning and Kruger noted,

    Across four studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.


I mean, it's right up there with the Peter principle, which explains my boss very well:
QuoteThe Peter Principle is a proposition that states that the members of an organization where promotion is based on achievement, success and merit will eventually be promoted beyond their level of ability. The principle is commonly phrased, "Employees tend to rise to their level of incompetence." In more formal parlance, the effect could be stated as: employees tend to be given more authority until they cannot continue to work competently. It was formulated by Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous[1] treatise, which also introduced the "salutary science of hierarchiology".
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle)

But the Peter Principle applies to the workplace, Dunning-Kruger applies EVERYWHERE. 
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Cain

We refer to Dunning-Kruger all the time on these here forums.

The lesson to infer from this: sociology class is inferior to spags on the internet

Eater of Clowns

Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
EoC, you are the bane of my existence.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
EoC doesn't make creepy.

EoC makes creepy worse.

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the afflicted persons get hold of and consume carrots even in socially quite unacceptable situations.

Left

Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
We refer to Dunning-Kruger all the time on these here forums.

The lesson to infer from this: sociology class is inferior to spags on the internet

Depends on what site you're at.
This one has some good spags on it. :)

But I actually read about it on one of the other Interweb hangouts I have.
Hope was the thing with feathers.
I smacked it with a hammer until it was red and squashy

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on July 18, 2013, 03:56:19 PM
Quote from: Cain on July 18, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
We refer to Dunning-Kruger all the time on these here forums.

The lesson to infer from this: sociology class is inferior to spags on the internet

Depends on what site you're at.
This one has some good spags on it. :)

But I actually read about it on one of the other Interweb hangouts I have.

Pretty sure they stole the idea from us, tho

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

It's pretty much my favorite psychology study ever.
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on July 18, 2013, 05:17:44 PM
It's pretty much my favorite psychology study ever.

Why you hating on Milgram?  :argh!:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

Eater of Clowns

I'm a fan of the Asch conformity experiments, myself.
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
EoC, you are the bane of my existence.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
EoC doesn't make creepy.

EoC makes creepy worse.

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the afflicted persons get hold of and consume carrots even in socially quite unacceptable situations.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Eater of Clowns on July 18, 2013, 05:54:13 PM
I'm a fan of the Asch conformity experiments, myself.

The Asch experiments are super-interesting and reveal a lot about how different societies work. There's a lot of good stuff in psychology, but still... for just sheer applicability, David Dunning and Justin Kruger can have my piece of cake.

They've both done a lot of other really interesting work individually, but as far as I know that's the only project they collaborated on. I think Dr. Dunning was Kruger's graduate advisor. 
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Left

Much as I hate the idea of torturing doggies  :sad:  The learned helplessness experiments explain so much.
Hope was the thing with feathers.
I smacked it with a hammer until it was red and squashy