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Oh those wacky DEA Agents

Started by Telarus, August 05, 2013, 08:00:13 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Junkenstein on August 07, 2013, 08:11:40 AM

Catch you all in 30 pages when he's trying to defend something equally reprehensible.

Quote from: The End on August 06, 2013, 02:28:36 AM
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The Johnny


I basically get paid to analyze opposing viewpoints, and have a personal interest in ideas/ideologies/representations but:

A) I'm not on the clock on this.

B) I can't even tell anymore where your butt-hurt trolling starts and your shill apologies begin, so from an analytical interest it's worthless.

C) I dislike attention-whores.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

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The Johnny


So this is the last time I grace you with my words, and I recommend others do the same, enough is enough.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Cain

Quote from: Telarus on August 06, 2013, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: The End on August 06, 2013, 03:31:21 PM
They won't report on the normal day-to-day operations that are straight forward and help protect our communities.

From everything I've read about the whole SOD/"parallel construction, but SHHH don't tell the judge or prosecutor" story...... this is normal day-to-day operations........

Yup.  This has been going on since the 1990s, if not before.  I believe this formed a pivotal part of the DEA's Kingpin Strategy in 1992, from which the Special Operations Division was created, in 1994.

AFK

Quote from: The Johnny on August 07, 2013, 08:26:37 AM

I basically get paid to analyze opposing viewpoints, and have a personal interest in ideas/ideologies/representations but:

A) I'm not on the clock on this.

B) I can't even tell anymore where your butt-hurt trolling starts and your shill apologies begin, so from an analytical interest it's worthless.

C) I dislike attention-whores.


You should leave PD then.  It's attention-whores all the way down.


I'm not trolling.  I work with the DEA on a regular basis.  They do a lot of really good work that works to keep communities safer.  Like the program that has removed over 50 tons of unwanted medicines from homes in my state.  That's 50 tons of medicines that can't be diverted and abused and not flushed down the drain where it will fuck up our water.   But no one likes to publish stories on that. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Faust

Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on August 07, 2013, 08:26:37 AM

I basically get paid to analyze opposing viewpoints, and have a personal interest in ideas/ideologies/representations but:

A) I'm not on the clock on this.

B) I can't even tell anymore where your butt-hurt trolling starts and your shill apologies begin, so from an analytical interest it's worthless.

C) I dislike attention-whores.


You should leave PD then.  It's attention-whores all the way down.


I'm not trolling.  I work with the DEA on a regular basis.  They do a lot of really good work that works to keep communities safer.  Like the program that has removed over 50 tons of unwanted medicines from homes in my state.  That's 50 tons of medicines that can't be diverted and abused and not flushed down the drain where it will fuck up our water.   But no one likes to publish stories on that.

And the coast guard do amazing work for the navy, while its higher ups spend their time parked in hostile waters trying to create international incidents.
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on August 07, 2013, 08:26:37 AM

I basically get paid to analyze opposing viewpoints, and have a personal interest in ideas/ideologies/representations but:

A) I'm not on the clock on this.

B) I can't even tell anymore where your butt-hurt trolling starts and your shill apologies begin, so from an analytical interest it's worthless.

C) I dislike attention-whores.


You should leave PD then.  It's attention-whores all the way down.


I'm not trolling.  I work with the DEA on a regular basis.  They do a lot of really good work that works to keep communities safer.  Like the program that has removed over 50 tons of unwanted medicines from homes in my state.  That's 50 tons of medicines that can't be diverted and abused and not flushed down the drain where it will fuck up our water.   But no one likes to publish stories on that.

I think the problem is that people don't really care when a government dept. is doing its job. That's expected. Its when they are doing something bad/wrong/naughty that they become the topic of discussion. While I have no doubt that there are some really nice DEA agents who want nothing more than to make the world a safer place ( :lulz: ), that doesn't excuse the sort of BS described in the OP. The former doesn't defend the latter, therefore, its of no real value in the conversation.

Kinda like saying "Well, sure, GWB authorized extrajudicial rendition, extreme interrogation methods and went to war against a country that had nothing to do with the attacks on us, however, his administration also removed over 50 tons of dangerous weapons and terrorists from the world. That's 50 tons of dangerous weapons and terrorists that can't be used by our enemies or flushed down the drain where they will fuck up our water. But no one (except Fox) likes to publish stories on that.

Personally, I'm glad there won't be mujaheddin in my drinking water.
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 07, 2013, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on August 07, 2013, 08:26:37 AM

I basically get paid to analyze opposing viewpoints, and have a personal interest in ideas/ideologies/representations but:

A) I'm not on the clock on this.

B) I can't even tell anymore where your butt-hurt trolling starts and your shill apologies begin, so from an analytical interest it's worthless.

C) I dislike attention-whores.


You should leave PD then.  It's attention-whores all the way down.


I'm not trolling.  I work with the DEA on a regular basis.  They do a lot of really good work that works to keep communities safer.  Like the program that has removed over 50 tons of unwanted medicines from homes in my state.  That's 50 tons of medicines that can't be diverted and abused and not flushed down the drain where it will fuck up our water.   But no one likes to publish stories on that.

I think the problem is that people don't really care when a government dept. is doing its job. That's expected. Its when they are doing something bad/wrong/naughty that they become the topic of discussion. While I have no doubt that there are some really nice DEA agents who want nothing more than to make the world a safer place ( :lulz: ), that doesn't excuse the sort of BS described in the OP. The former doesn't defend the latter, therefore, its of no real value in the conversation.

Kinda like saying "Well, sure, GWB authorized extrajudicial rendition, extreme interrogation methods and went to war against a country that had nothing to do with the attacks on us, however, his administration also removed over 50 tons of dangerous weapons and terrorists from the world. That's 50 tons of dangerous weapons and terrorists that can't be used by our enemies or flushed down the drain where they will fuck up our water. But no one (except Fox) likes to publish stories on that.

Personally, I'm glad there won't be mujaheddin in my drinking water.

It's the classic - "Hitler liked puppies so he must have been a nice guy..." - argument.

I expect no better from our resident koolaid-swilling tool of the oppressors  :lulz:

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AFK

Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.

Uh... huh?

I think you've crossed wires on your comparison.

"DEA did a shitty thing"/"Uncle BadTouch did a shitty thing"
"But all DEA guys I know are cool so that doesn't count"/"But all Discordians I know are cool, so that doesn't count"

In neither case do 'ALL' of the DEA/Discordians need to be denounced... but in both cases, the excuse is not a valid response.

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"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 07, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.

Uh... huh?

I think you've crossed wires on your comparison.

"DEA did a shitty thing"/"Uncle BadTouch did a shitty thing"
"But all DEA guys I know are cool so that doesn't count"/"But all Discordians I know are cool, so that doesn't count"

In neither case do 'ALL' of the DEA/Discordians need to be denounced... but in both cases, the excuse is not a valid response.

You do realise you're arguing with a fucking idiot, right?  :kingmeh:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

AFK

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 07, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.

Uh... huh?

I think you've crossed wires on your comparison.

"DEA did a shitty thing"/"Uncle BadTouch did a shitty thing"
"But all DEA guys I know are cool so that doesn't count"/"But all Discordians I know are cool, so that doesn't count"

In neither case do 'ALL' of the DEA/Discordians need to be denounced... but in both cases, the excuse is not a valid response.

Yes, but at no point have I excused the DEAs mistakes, in fact I've said before that shit is wrong and I stated that the judgement for the kid forgotten by DEA was a good thing.  But it's too simplistic to just cast them all in the fire.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Faust

Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 07, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.

Uh... huh?

I think you've crossed wires on your comparison.

"DEA did a shitty thing"/"Uncle BadTouch did a shitty thing"
"But all DEA guys I know are cool so that doesn't count"/"But all Discordians I know are cool, so that doesn't count"

In neither case do 'ALL' of the DEA/Discordians need to be denounced... but in both cases, the excuse is not a valid response.

I'm Not denouncing the DEA, I am saying fix the DEA, and all the other rotten to the core branches
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on August 07, 2013, 12:26:32 PM
Quote from: The End on August 07, 2013, 12:22:42 PM
Well I guess we should all denounce Discordianism because of Uncle BadTouch.  All of the good Discordians don't excuse that piece of shit so we might as well all mail it in, right?

That's such a stupid,simplistic argument.

Uh... huh?

I think you've crossed wires on your comparison.

"DEA did a shitty thing"/"Uncle BadTouch did a shitty thing"
"But all DEA guys I know are cool so that doesn't count"/"But all Discordians I know are cool, so that doesn't count"

In neither case do 'ALL' of the DEA/Discordians need to be denounced... but in both cases, the excuse is not a valid response.

Yes, but at no point have I excused the DEAs mistakes, in fact I've said before that shit is wrong and I stated that the judgement for the kid forgotten by DEA was a good thing.  But it's too simplistic to just cast them all in the fire.

So you're while response was ignited by Nigel's obvious parody post? Really?

I think this may be one reason why things have become so strained with you. No one before Nigel's joke post was saying anything about throwing the whole DEA into the fire. Why take that one obvious, ALL CAPS, comment and run with it? Why not focus on the OP? Hell, I would have loved to see a comment from you  saying "That is bullshit... blah blah blah... however, it isn't the only thing the DEA does and some of those guys are in it for the right reasons". I would have agreed 100% and thought you were trying to communicate.

Please, Please bring back the RWHN that communicated :(
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"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Cain