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AFK

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.
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Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 19, 2013, 02:49:16 AM
You see, you aren't capable of thinking, Twid. You're only capable of following the herd, for approval.
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So after you start getting time machines, is that it? Does anything else even happen? Do you hit the cookie singularity or anything?
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Quote from: TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR GENITALS on August 19, 2013, 06:19:51 AM
So after you start getting time machines, is that it? Does anything else even happen? Do you hit the cookie singularity or anything?

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Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

It's awesome how all it takes is one tiny little comma to turn a 100% true sentence into RWHN's own-brand dumbfuck bullshit  :lulz:

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Quote from: V3X on August 18, 2013, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on August 18, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: The End on August 18, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
No, that would be Devin Townsend.

Yes, well, once again you make my point for me. :lulz:

FTR, RWHN is actually correct here.

He's a preachy egomaniacal canadian. So basically RWHN but with actual talent. But he's just good, not great. Sort of like RWHN, if RWHN was good at anything.
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Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.

Too far. No one on the planet is this obtuse. The scale of troll vs guy who doesn't actually understand what documentation is keeps tipping.

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Quote from: McGrupp on August 19, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.

Too far. No one on the planet is this obtuse. The scale of troll vs guy who doesn't actually understand what documentation is keeps tipping.

He's conflating - typing superstitious nonsense into an online forum - with "documentation"

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AFK

Quote from: McGrupp on August 19, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.

Too far. No one on the planet is this obtuse. The scale of troll vs guy who doesn't actually understand what documentation is keeps tipping.


You are new and haven't been in any of the past drug threads so you really don't know what you are talking about.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

Quote from: Balls Wellington on August 19, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: V3X on August 18, 2013, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on August 18, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: The End on August 18, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
No, that would be Devin Townsend.

Yes, well, once again you make my point for me. :lulz:

FTR, RWHN is actually correct here.

He's a preachy egomaniacal canadian. So basically RWHN but with actual talent. But he's just good, not great. Sort of like RWHN, if RWHN was good at anything.


He's probably the most versatile vocalist in metal.  He's a very talented guitarist.  Prolific songwriter.  Sonic and production wizard.  I can't think of a single other individual in metal today who is as all-around talented and skilled as Devin Townsend.  I think you just don't like him because he sings about "uncool" things like love and marriage.  Which, as someone who has been married, I can tell you can be some very heavy subjects.  You'll find out someday perhaps.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

Quote from: McGrupp on August 19, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.

Too far. No one on the planet is this obtuse. The scale of troll vs guy who doesn't actually understand what documentation is keeps tipping.


Here is some (cited) science for you.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana-abuse/marijuana-addictive
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Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

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Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on August 19, 2013, 11:41:58 AM
Quote from: V3X on August 18, 2013, 11:06:31 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on August 18, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
Quote from: The End on August 18, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
No, that would be Devin Townsend.

Yes, well, once again you make my point for me. :lulz:

FTR, RWHN is actually correct here.

He's a preachy egomaniacal canadian. So basically RWHN but with actual talent. But he's just good, not great. Sort of like RWHN, if RWHN was good at anything.


He's probably the most versatile vocalist in metal.  He's a very talented guitarist.  Prolific songwriter.  Sonic and production wizard.  I can't think of a single other individual in metal today who is as all-around talented and skilled as Devin Townsend.  I think you just don't like him because he sings about "uncool" things like love and marriage.  Which, as someone who has been married, I can tell you can be some very heavy subjects.  You'll find out someday perhaps.

A. Devin Townsend can be preachy if he wants to, since he is as close to deity as any sentient being will ever actually get.

B. RWHN, that's just sycophantic.

C. Point A is not sycophantic on account of it's obviously tongue-in-cheek.

D. Point C had to be spelled out, otherwise RWHN would be all "Yeah but YOU said..." and I don't have time for that shit today, since I'm currently doing Very Important Work blocking end-users from Dropbox.
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McGrupp

Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 01:48:29 PM
Quote from: McGrupp on August 19, 2013, 12:44:38 PM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 03:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2013, 03:28:18 AM
Quote from: The End on August 19, 2013, 02:42:39 AM
No, science explains why marijuana addiction is a problem.

But no documentation is available.

Sure it is.  I provide it everytime we talk about it.  You won't even consider it.

Too far. No one on the planet is this obtuse. The scale of troll vs guy who doesn't actually understand what documentation is keeps tipping.


Here is some (cited) science for you.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana-abuse/marijuana-addictive
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Still reading. Probably won't be caught up for a little while but one thing struck me at the beginning of the NIH info on marijuana:

QuoteMarijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug (17.4 million past-month users) according to the 2010 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH)1. That year, marijuana was used by 76.8 percent of current illicit drug users (defined as having used the drug at some time in the 30 days before the survey) and was the only drug used by 60.1 percent of them.1

17.4 million illicit drug users.  Of those 60.1 percent of them only use marijuana. Doesn't this mean that marijuana prohibition is the difference between 17.4 million criminals and having 6.96 million criminals? That's over 10 million people who are criminals for something less dangerous than alcohol.

Also, and I'm still reading, but I would be curious as to the definition they are using for addiction. Either way, 9 percent strikes me as rather low.

It is my understanding that the psychosis-marijuana connection is a debateable topic. They are correlated but whether they cause each other experts disagree on.

The NIH also has this to say about studies showing correlation with poor grades and school drop outs.
QuoteHowever, a causal relationship is not yet proven between cannabis use by young people and psychosocial harm

Also, couldn't getting a permanent black mark on your record or getting thrown in jail result in lower graduation rates and school grades?

I'm still reading this as well as the studies that are cited in it. Thank you for providing some data.


AFK

Legalization does nothing to resolve your last point as it would still be illegal for kids 21 and younger.


I happen to agree that reforms are necessary to eliminate those black marks for non-violent youth offenders.  But legalization does not accomplish that without making it also legal for youth to use.
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

AFK

As far as the marijuana-psychosis piece, it isn't debateable at all that there is an interaction there.  You can have the chicken/egg debate all you want, but bottom line is that if it isn't causing it, it is exacerbating a pre-existing condition or predisposition.  Neither result is good, so to me, that debate is academic.
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