How We Protect At-Risk Kids.

[Junkenstein]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

[Pergamos]

His kids would never drink his beer, Roger. It's all those other people's marijuana smoking that puts their kids at risk. Kids know not to drink beer or wine, or fucking 151. That weed though. No, they just can't resist that shit. If parents have weed around, those kids will smoke it down to every last roach.

My daughter won't even drink soda, in fact, other than a few sips when she was really young, she's never had soda.  But I also closely monitor what goes on in my home.  I rarely have beer in the house when the kids are home with me, but I also know my daughter, who is only 9, knows better.  She knows alcohol is not for kids and is only an adult thing,  She also knows the harm it causes. 


But the thing is, there are many, many parents who aren't as diligent and on top of things as I am.  It's a pretty commonly accepted fact that kids will experiment with what is most easily obtainable.  It's why Rx abuse is a big issue because they don't need to go to a dealer on the street.  They just need to go into their bathroom, or maybe Mom's purse.  Same with any unsecured alcohol in the home and it certainly would be the same with legal marijuana.  It's already the case with "legal" [size=78%]medical marijuana.  There is no denying this.[/size]

Yes, I see.  Special pleading.  YOUR kids won't be affected by the accessabilty of alcohol, it's all those OTHER kids who are affected by accessability of any given substance.  And since not all parents are such paragons of virtue, bad things will happen.

Got it.

You hilarious hypocrite.

Bad things DO happen.  According to the CDC, the number one source of accidental poisonings of kids is prescription drugs, more than any other household poison or product.  Over 64% of teens who abuse prescription painkillers get them from someone they know, including parents and other adults, often by taking them without permission.  There is no legitimate reason to believe that legal marijuana could somehow be immune to this.

Except that nobody has ever been accidentally poisoned by marijuana ever. Leaving out laced weed, which we can assume would be very uncommon when received from a licensed source.

No, but kids become addicted to it, which I would call a bad thing happening.

So presumably you are also opposed to adults having unrestricted access to World of Warcraft.

Nope

But kids become addicted to it...

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

That working?

How about Prometheus, with Big Marijuana eating his liver?

Quoted because they need to be on this page, too. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Watching an MPP calling an MPH untrained is like watching Donald Rumsfeld tell generals how to run a war.

You're funny.  Of course they get training.  The grad school I went to just started an MPH program.  There are MPHs in my office.  I'm only questioning the voracity of Nigel's friends training.  Given the ideas she seems to have that are antithetical to evidence-based public health theories.

The voracity of her training?  What?

And you have never offered any evidence outside of DEA publications, which are not at all biased and funding-driven.

So I think you're full of shit.

I don't think he's familiar with MPH programs outside of whatever it is that's offered by the Mumford & Sons Maine College of Obscurity or wherever it is he went.

I highly doubt any MPHs move TO Maine to work in whatever twopenny nonprofit he works for.

The Nancy Reagan Just Say No Club?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You won't see it of course.

RWHN won't put his money where his mouth is. There's cocaine residue on that shit.

[The Johnny]

Calling it, 120 pages.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Calling it, 120 pages.

And I was working up to another round of coffee addiction mockery. Thanks, Johnny. 

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Can't we just have a thread where we mock RWHN mercilessly and not actually have it be about drugs but for the pure joy of pointing out what an arsehole he is? I mean, at this point the drug issue is only a facilitator, since that's the most obvious moronic thing he clings to because it's his uniform, so that's obviously going to be the focus but goddammit that's not why I like mocking him. Calling it ruins it. I'm out until the next one.

[Freeky]

Why not try giving the piece of shit the one thing he doesn't want? He doesn't come here for thought provoking conversation, or because he likes any of us, he comes back to be a disruption because he's a spiteful child who doesn't just take his ball and go home, he comes back without it and makes everyone miserable, because he hasn't had enough attention.  Roger had it right, he's just BH with an obsession over a different method of control.

Just stop giving him that attention.  Stop trying to get the last word in.  Stop trying to make him feel bad - it might be working, but it might also be giving him vindictive pleasure and all the reason he needs in his own mind to keep this bullshit up.  BH eventually went away nd then was banned recently for outing a troll?), this moron will too if you just leave it alone.  Don't be all "pledge!", either (see what happened last time), just DO it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Why not try giving the piece of shit the one thing he doesn't want? He doesn't come here for thought provoking conversation, or because he likes any of us, he comes back to be a disruption because he's a spiteful child who doesn't just take his ball and go home, he comes back without it and makes everyone miserable, because he hasn't had enough attention.  Roger had it right, he's just BH with an obsession over a different method of control.

Just stop giving him that attention.  Stop trying to get the last word in.  Stop trying to make him feel bad - it might be working, but it might also be giving him vindictive pleasure and all the reason he needs in his own mind to keep this bullshit up.  BH eventually went away nd then was banned recently for outing a troll?), this moron will too if you just leave it alone.  Don't be all "pledge!", either (see what happened last time), just DO it.

I lifted Pledge because of Delcon. Then it was fun again. But nevermind. It's not about getting the last word in because there's never a last word with this guy, and it's impossible to make him feel bad or even make him acknowledge how goddamn hypocritical it is. Doesn't even matter if he's a troll.

Sometimes it's just fun to hit a punching bag. It's good practice. But when someone points out that you're just hitting a sack of sand it loses its fun.

[Freeky]

-shrug- Have fun, then.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

-shrug- Have fun, then.

I'll try. It really is a good exercise in logic. Actually you'll be surprised where your mind goes sometimes if you forget that you're going up against something that won't change. If anything, I've rethought some positions based on some of this.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Arguing against RWHN might seem like racing in the Special Olympics, but it is good self-analysis and reevaluation.

[Freeky]

When I argue, it's because I think I'm right and hope to at least have the other party understand where I'm coming from.  If I know that the other party is hostile and Will Not Budge, even thinking about arguing gives me a headache if I don't move on, so I don't understand where you're coming from at all.


Then again, I'm not particularly smart or perceptive or something, so I'm not good at arguing anyway.  I would rather be wrong and admit it than to be right and argue my position, in fact