How We Protect At-Risk Kids.

[Pergamos]

...none of y'all have produced any kind of data or evidence that legalization would be completely benign. 

That is the threshold.  Until you can meet it, you will be unsuccessful.

You are insane. You can't seriously not do something just because it itsn't a Paretto Improvement. You would never get anything done!

It makes no sense to make a policy change that worsens conditions.

you never said it worsened conditions, you said it was not completely benign.  The current situation is far from benign.

[Pergamos]

More kids using worsens conditions.

Your standard sucks.

And again, why aren't you fighting against easy access to caffeine, which when abused leads to FAR worse reactions than marijuana?  It's also more addictive than marijuana, physically and mentally.  I'd bet use by teens is higher than marijuana use too.  Probably far higher since many high schools have vending machines in the hallways which vend caffeine containing drinks.  Of course, it's kind of hard to fight against abuse of a drug that you are yourself addicted to isn't it?

note, by when abused I mean the taking it to vomiting or shitting yourselves levels. Two things that weed cannot make you do.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I don't judge people's value by their income, I just love that he's all "I'm such a bigshot and way above all of you plebes because of my big important salaried job" and you know that if we actually use that barometer he isn't going to come up looking very impressive.

I ALSO HAVE A SALARIED JOB.
I ALSO WORK 50+ HOURS PER WEEK.
However, I am under no illusions that this means I am "good" at what I do for a living. I am, but it has nothing to do with the salary. It only means it's easier for the accountants that way, since they don't have to calculate pesky shit like "overtime" or "FMLA benefits".

RWHN has a salaried position at a quasi-government agency. In related news, my professional experience has generally demonstrated that the only organizations more full of ineffective dinosaurs than government agencies, are quasi-government agencies.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

RWHN's like that one drunk at the bar that just never shuts up. You know, the one that goes "ARRRAWRAWR HORK SPIT FUCKIN POTHEADS ARRRRAWR HAYBABY I GOT SALRY HORK SPIT ARRR RAWRRR..."

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I don't judge people's value by their income, I just love that he's all "I'm such a bigshot and way above all of you plebes because of my big important salaried job" and you know that if we actually use that barometer he isn't going to come up looking very impressive.

I have a big important job that I little pay for and no recognition. RWHN most certainly makes more money than I do, and does more work per week than I do.

But you know, epidemiology. Some poor bastard has to do the grunt work to figure out what makes us sick and die. His job is to keep one fairly benign form of entertainment illegal while indulging in a more harmful and addictive form of entertainment when the moon is full.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

More kids using worsens conditions.

Your standard sucks.

And again, why aren't you fighting against easy access to caffeine, which when abused leads to FAR worse reactions than marijuana?  It's also more addictive than marijuana, physically and mentally.  I'd bet use by teens is higher than marijuana use too.  Probably far higher since many high schools have vending machines in the hallways which vend caffeine containing drinks.  Of course, it's kind of hard to fight against abuse of a drug that you are yourself addicted to isn't it?

note, by when abused I mean the taking it to vomiting or shitting yourselves levels. Two things that weed cannot make you do.

He would totally kick his crippling addiction to one maybe two coffees if it were made illegal. He said so himself about his shitty beer indulgence. Because he believes in the correctness of banning substances regardless of addictive effect or lack thereof, and toxicity, or lack thereof. Sure he might have to resort to going to weekly meetings where they masturbate furiously in public because there's no addiction to replace your previous addiction, but that's a small price to pay.

Guess the alkies will have to give up the joe and go back to the bar.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I figured out what RWHN really does for a living.

http://clientsfromhell.net/page/2

"The website should essentially be about the negative effects of drugs, the dark side, you know, the horrible truth of addiction and desperation. And, also; I want a picture of Gandalf on there somewhere."

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I figured out what RWHN really does for a living.

http://clientsfromhell.net/page/2

"The website should essentially be about the negative effects of drugs, the dark side, you know, the horrible truth of addiction and desperation. And, also; I want a picture of Gandalf on there somewhere."

Star Wars reference, but make it LOTR.

Wacky Tobacky bad, Beer good.

Yeah, mismatch seems about right.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/webfiles/images/journals/jmcp/jmcp_ft88_9_1.pdf

Careful, RWHN. Escalating your coffee "addiction" increases your risk of all-cause mortality until you turn 55.

Twid,
probably fucked.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Well, almost all cause:

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15622975.2013.795243

You're currently, with your consumption MORE at risk for committing suicide.

Twid,
Ain't going to do it directly.

[East Coast Hustle]

I don't judge people's value by their income, I just love that he's all "I'm such a bigshot and way above all of you plebes because of my big important salaried job" and you know that if we actually use that barometer he isn't going to come up looking very impressive.

I don't judge peoples' value by their income but I'm perfectly happy to point out to those that DO that it usually doesn't cast them in as positive a light as they think it does.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

He won't respond to this because the "documentation" he refers to upthread doesn't exist; he's lying. As usual, he's a giant lying liar.

I provided documentation, RWHN; you gonna step up?

Oh yeah. I figured as much. Lying authoritarian punishment freaks don't usually have anything but false "authority" to back up their claims.

[Junkenstein]

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The main reason take-back programs rely so heavily on the environmental argument is because, really, it's the ONLY compelling argument that can be made for them - which RWHN, if he actually keeps up on the available evidence, surely knows.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/24/will-the-governments-drug-take-back-do-anything-to-reduce-misuse/
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/prescription-drugs/more-research-needed-on-drug-take-back-programs-report-concludes
the study they're talking about there --> http://www.carnevaleassociates.com/takebacks

Your characterization is incorrect.  I run the most successful take back program in the state.  Our messaging is on the environment, drub abuse, AND elder safety.  And we know our program works.  We have more and more people regularly cleaning out medicine cabinets making more and more homes more safe and cutting down on the amount of drugs available for diversion.  We have documented behavior change which is what you want to see in any public health effort.

Documented, you say?

Let's see it.

HE'S SHITTY AT PROOFREADING TOO. HE CAN'T EVEN SEE THIS.

Well, he did call them "drubs" upthread instead of "drugs."

He won't respond to this because the "documentation" he refers to upthread doesn't exist; he's lying. As usual, he's a giant lying liar.

I provided documentation, RWHN; you gonna step up?

Oh yeah. I figured as much. Lying authoritarian punishment freaks don't usually have anything but false "authority" to back up their claims.