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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2013, 09:30:12 pm »
:lulz: White people finally figure out something EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH HAS KNOWN FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

Those silly, naive primitives, thinking animals talk to each other!

Hey, historically speaking, White people just figured out that Brown people can talk to each other.

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Depending on your timeframe, white people have only just been able to figure out how to talk to each other too.


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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 09:39:13 pm »
Did anyone throw up the link with the research indicating dolphins have names?

Which adds several extra layers of horror to "The Cove". When the google app exists to translate this shit easily that is going to be turbo nightmare fuel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23410137

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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2013, 10:11:37 pm »
I really really like the idea of designating dolphins as nonhuman persons. It feels like its a stronger statement than admitting they are sentient. Id like to see that extended to other aquatic animals and primates.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2013, 10:26:16 pm »
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Seems reasonable enough. Considering dolphin intelligence has been long been established, this declaration doesn't seem to be a particularly radical move. They exhibit self-awareness, use tools, cooperate to solve tasks, don't vote Republican, and very recently it was found that they possibly communicate to each other using individual names.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2013, 10:35:40 pm »
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Seems reasonable enough. Considering dolphin intelligence has been long been established, this declaration doesn't seem to be a particularly radical move. They exhibit self-awareness, use tools, cooperate to solve tasks, don't vote Republican, and very recently it was found that they possibly communicate to each other using individual names.
Wait, what?  :lulz:
Yeah i thought that quite good too. :lulz:
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2013, 11:11:15 am »
Sentience, self awareness, whatever you want to call it is something that the scientists couldn't wrap their heads around for fucking years. I dismissed psychology as a crock of superstitious bullshit until they'd dealt with that particular issue. I remember a scientist (phd zoologist) patiently explaining to me how (unlike us humans) animals like dogs learn "by association". I shook my head and walked away. Ironically, I now associate that same guy with being a fucking idiot.

I mean, yeah, our thinking, especially at the meta-end of the scale would appear to be way in advance of anything observed in the rest of nature but brains are brains, bunch of neurons all wired up pretty much the same way. I'm almost certain that the belief that we are some special case springs more from religion than science.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2013, 09:04:36 pm »
Prarie dogs can't speak Human, so they don't look so smart to me.

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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2013, 09:07:47 pm »
"India considers dolphins non-human persons"

So, in the event of crime by dolphin, do they get tried under human laws? Do they wheel the accused into court in a tank equipped with an undewater microphone?
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2013, 09:15:25 pm »
"India considers dolphins non-human persons"

So, in the event of crime by dolphin, do they get tried under human laws? Do they wheel the accused into court in a tank equipped with an undewater microphone?
Dolphins wouldnt be subject to indian laws since the recognition states that they cant be held in captivity. Its more that they have the right to not be bothered by or have to amuse humans.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2013, 09:18:40 pm »
"India considers dolphins non-human persons"

So, in the event of crime by dolphin, do they get tried under human laws? Do they wheel the accused into court in a tank equipped with an undewater microphone?
Dolphins wouldnt be subject to indian laws since the recognition states that they cant be held in captivity. Its more that they have the right to not be bothered by or have to amuse humans.

So they're basically like corporations.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2013, 10:30:23 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20142858

Been cruising the BBC links from that dolphin one. Elephants and Beluga whales are getting in on the action.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2013, 10:36:32 pm »
"India considers dolphins non-human persons"

So, in the event of crime by dolphin, do they get tried under human laws? Do they wheel the accused into court in a tank equipped with an undewater microphone?

I think the main ramification is that they can't be enslaved or exploited.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2013, 10:36:56 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20142858

Been cruising the BBC links from that dolphin one. Elephants and Beluga whales are getting in on the action.

Pretty important to note the difference between imitation and language though.
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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2013, 10:48:34 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20142858

Been cruising the BBC links from that dolphin one. Elephants and Beluga whales are getting in on the action.

Pretty important to note the difference between imitation and language though.

It is. However, there is increasingly significant evidence that these are animals which have their own languages, and understand the concept of language, and so imitating another language starts to cross over into "learning".
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Humans are the Smartest Things on Earth
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2013, 10:50:05 pm »
Many humans I know imitate language.

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