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On Special Snowflake-ism, part II: The Cause

Started by The Good Reverend Roger, August 27, 2013, 05:53:28 PM

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
QuoteDo you define your cause, or does your cause define you?  One way means you have beliefs.  The other way means you may as well jam a Brad Pitt hat on your head, because you're already a hipster and therefore a joke.

This. THIS. The ability humans have to groupthink and see no problems with the logic within the group is probably one of the major things fucking EVERYTHING up. Problems are only seen by an external group and you can't pay any attention to them because they're not One Of Us.

Groupthink actually has valid applications inside of a very narrow framework.  Of course, it's also the EASIEST way to get by, so it is often applied to everything.  With predictable results.

Could I get an example? Think brain is shutting down for the day now.

The military.
Industrial applications (crane lifts, etc).
Any situation that REQUIRES a fortress mentality.
Any other situation where everyone has to act in concert.

...AND it should be noted that there's no better way to fuck up concerted effort, than to be that one special-snowflake motherfucker that is MORE CONCERTED than everyone else. The quiet thrum of efficient group effort is a beautiful thing to behold, or participate in...unless it's the sound of one person just not getting their proper accolades and heraldry for participating in that effort.
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Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on August 28, 2013, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
QuoteDo you define your cause, or does your cause define you?  One way means you have beliefs.  The other way means you may as well jam a Brad Pitt hat on your head, because you're already a hipster and therefore a joke.

This. THIS. The ability humans have to groupthink and see no problems with the logic within the group is probably one of the major things fucking EVERYTHING up. Problems are only seen by an external group and you can't pay any attention to them because they're not One Of Us.

Groupthink actually has valid applications inside of a very narrow framework.  Of course, it's also the EASIEST way to get by, so it is often applied to everything.  With predictable results.

Could I get an example? Think brain is shutting down for the day now.

The military.
Industrial applications (crane lifts, etc).
Any situation that REQUIRES a fortress mentality.
Any other situation where everyone has to act in concert.

...AND it should be noted that there's no better way to fuck up concerted effort, than to be that one special-snowflake motherfucker that is MORE CONCERTED than everyone else. The quiet thrum of efficient group effort is a beautiful thing to behold, or participate in...unless it's the sound of one person just not getting their proper accolades and heraldry for participating in that effort.

It is true, and interesting, how well collaboration and cooperation work, as long as you don't have some putz intent on making themselves important.
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Quote from: Surprise Happy Endings Whether You Want Them Or Not on August 28, 2013, 02:20:55 AM
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on August 28, 2013, 12:00:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:57:54 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 27, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 27, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
QuoteDo you define your cause, or does your cause define you?  One way means you have beliefs.  The other way means you may as well jam a Brad Pitt hat on your head, because you're already a hipster and therefore a joke.

This. THIS. The ability humans have to groupthink and see no problems with the logic within the group is probably one of the major things fucking EVERYTHING up. Problems are only seen by an external group and you can't pay any attention to them because they're not One Of Us.

Groupthink actually has valid applications inside of a very narrow framework.  Of course, it's also the EASIEST way to get by, so it is often applied to everything.  With predictable results.

Could I get an example? Think brain is shutting down for the day now.

The military.
Industrial applications (crane lifts, etc).
Any situation that REQUIRES a fortress mentality.
Any other situation where everyone has to act in concert.

...AND it should be noted that there's no better way to fuck up concerted effort, than to be that one special-snowflake motherfucker that is MORE CONCERTED than everyone else. The quiet thrum of efficient group effort is a beautiful thing to behold, or participate in...unless it's the sound of one person just not getting their proper accolades and heraldry for participating in that effort.

It is true, and interesting, how well collaboration and cooperation work, as long as you don't have some putz intent on making themselves important.

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