Miley Cyrus, Pedobear, and the Hollywood Spectacle

[P3nT4gR4m]

Okay, here's the deal, since you obviously need it spelled out. Nirvana did not revolutionise or unseat or otherwise turn anything on it's ear. Nirvana was picked up as something new. Flavour of the month (that's "month" not "century") Then they were packaged, produced, marketed and generally whored out by record execs who made a fucking killing selling the latest hula hoop to a bunch of children who were bored with roller skates. Nirvana, played the part brilliantly, as Kurt took to the stage and blurted out angsty, media hostile soundbites that shocked the parents and endeared him to the latest crop of teen rebels.

Kinda like Miley Cyrus in that respect.

[AFK]

http://www.musicroom.com/blog/music-news/10-marks-left-by-kurt-cobain-and-nirvana-on-modern-music-makers
http://www.thedepauw.com/mobile/features/cultural-impact-of-nirvana-s-nevermind-still-resonates-today-1.2622475

[AFK]

To not recognize the impact Nirvana had on music is to simply be culturally ignorant.

[Don Coyote]

Turns out RWHN can see into the future and has proof that Miley Cyrus will have NO impact on music.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Okay, here's the deal, since you obviously need it spelled out. Nirvana did not revolutionise or unseat or otherwise turn anything on it's ear. Nirvana was picked up as something new. Flavour of the month (that's "month" not "century") Then they were packaged, produced, marketed and generally whored out by record execs who made a fucking killing selling the latest hula hoop to a bunch of children who were bored with roller skates. Nirvana, played the part brilliantly, as Kurt took to the stage and blurted out angsty, media hostile soundbites that shocked the parents and endeared him to the latest crop of teen rebels.

Kinda like Miley Cyrus in that respect.

This, and what DOUR said about them being pilot fish that wiggled loose.

What Nirvana did wasn't any kind of new genre. More like garage rock. They sounded like a decent 60's garage band. The MEDIA created "grunge" and a lot of the bands that got called "grunge" will tell you it's a stupid word and there's no such thing. "Grunge" was a swarm of reporters taking pictures of people in ripped jeans and flannel shirts LIKE PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS WORN WHEN THEY'RE NOT ALL DRESSED UP. And Nirvana was just the band that got noticed, or promoted, or whatever. Everybody was sick of perms and spandex and "power ballads" by then anyway. Then Cobain blew his face off and "ZOMG 27 CLUB BLAH BLAH WOOF WOOF".

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holy shit, are you out of touch.

Says the guy who is proud of being stuck 2 decades ago.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Holy shit, are you out of touch.

Says the guy who is proud of being stuck 2 decades ago.

HEY! He listens to SMOOTH JAZZ! 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Vanilla Ice!

Your timeline is fucked.  Vanilla Ice's album came out in 1990. Nevermind was late 1991.  Nevermind that VI was a one-hit wonder and had no long-lasting impact on the hip hop genre.  Dr Dre and Snoop are better fits for that bill. 

:ETA: " They unseated the King of Pop and completely set the entire mainstream music industry on its ear."

What the fuck does that even mean? Yeah, I know, some journo came up with it to pad out his obit to 2000 words but, really, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Really?  Were you in a coma in the 90s?  The music scene before and after 1991 was completely different.  Before it was hairspray, glitz and glamour, big shiny music.  Nevermind took it back to basics.  Paved the way for tons of left-of-center bands that, before, were relegated to college radio stations and a small slice of MTV programming in the middle of the night on Sundays.

Beavis and Butthead killed glam rock.  Nirvana was just sort of a pilot fish that wiggled loose.

There were dozens of "grunge" bands around long before Nirvana, some of which are still around and kicking. Nirvana was just the one the media loved. I remember when they got big and someone came into my work to interview us youth about the grunge scene. We were like, grunge is dead. When it's being marketed in malls as a fashion statement, the scene is basically over. This is not breaking news.

I remember a lot of people were like, what? Why Nirvana? Out of all the really, really good bands playing the scene, what's up with the "it" band being Nirvana? They were good, for sure. And they weren't like what normally played on top 40 radio, so that was different. But as far as what the NW indie music scene in general had to offer, it was inexplicable because there just wasn't anything to make them, in particular, stand out.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Vanilla Ice!

Your timeline is fucked.  Vanilla Ice's album came out in 1990. Nevermind was late 1991.  Nevermind that VI was a one-hit wonder and had no long-lasting impact on the hip hop genre.  Dr Dre and Snoop are better fits for that bill. 

:ETA: " They unseated the King of Pop and completely set the entire mainstream music industry on its ear."

What the fuck does that even mean? Yeah, I know, some journo came up with it to pad out his obit to 2000 words but, really, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Really?  Were you in a coma in the 90s?  The music scene before and after 1991 was completely different.  Before it was hairspray, glitz and glamour, big shiny music.  Nevermind took it back to basics.  Paved the way for tons of left-of-center bands that, before, were relegated to college radio stations and a small slice of MTV programming in the middle of the night on Sundays.

Beavis and Butthead killed glam rock.  Nirvana was just sort of a pilot fish that wiggled loose.

There were dozens of "grunge" bands around long before Nirvana, some of which are still around and kicking. Nirvana was just the one the media loved. I remember when they got big and someone came into my work to interview us youth about the grunge scene. We were like, grunge is dead. When it's being marketed in malls as a fashion statement, the scene is basically over. This is not breaking news.

I remember a lot of people were like, what? Why Nirvana? Out of all the really, really good bands playing the scene, what's up with the "it" band being Nirvana? They were good, for sure. And they weren't like what normally played on top 40 radio, so that was different. But as far as what the NW indie music scene in general had to offer, it was inexplicable because there just wasn't anything to make them, in particular, stand out.

They were basically misery pop.

[AFK]

Kurt Cobain could write a hook like none of those other bands could, that is one reason they stood out.  It wasn't just noise, there was melody.  He had a great sense of melody.  I mean, really, he had a songwriting genius that few others had, or have had since.  They opened doors and paved the path for many alt-rock bands.  There hasn't been a band of that significance since.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152444/8_reasons_nirvana's_'nevermind'_is_the_most_important_rock_album_of_all_time

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Vanilla Ice!

Your timeline is fucked.  Vanilla Ice's album came out in 1990. Nevermind was late 1991.  Nevermind that VI was a one-hit wonder and had no long-lasting impact on the hip hop genre.  Dr Dre and Snoop are better fits for that bill. 

:ETA: " They unseated the King of Pop and completely set the entire mainstream music industry on its ear."

What the fuck does that even mean? Yeah, I know, some journo came up with it to pad out his obit to 2000 words but, really, it doesn't actually mean anything.

Really?  Were you in a coma in the 90s?  The music scene before and after 1991 was completely different.  Before it was hairspray, glitz and glamour, big shiny music.  Nevermind took it back to basics.  Paved the way for tons of left-of-center bands that, before, were relegated to college radio stations and a small slice of MTV programming in the middle of the night on Sundays.

Beavis and Butthead killed glam rock.  Nirvana was just sort of a pilot fish that wiggled loose.

There were dozens of "grunge" bands around long before Nirvana, some of which are still around and kicking. Nirvana was just the one the media loved. I remember when they got big and someone came into my work to interview us youth about the grunge scene. We were like, grunge is dead. When it's being marketed in malls as a fashion statement, the scene is basically over. This is not breaking news.

I remember a lot of people were like, what? Why Nirvana? Out of all the really, really good bands playing the scene, what's up with the "it" band being Nirvana? They were good, for sure. And they weren't like what normally played on top 40 radio, so that was different. But as far as what the NW indie music scene in general had to offer, it was inexplicable because there just wasn't anything to make them, in particular, stand out.

They were basically misery pop.

Yeah.

I think it was probably largely because they were really photogenic. And maybe some of Courtney Love's marketing skill.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Kurt Cobain could write a hook like none of those other bands could, that is one reason they stood out.  It wasn't just noise, there was melody.  He had a great sense of melody.  I mean, really, he had a songwriting genius that few others had, or have had since.  They opened doors and paved the path for many alt-rock bands.  There hasn't been a band of that significance since.

http://www.alternet.org/story/152444/8_reasons_nirvana's_'nevermind'_is_the_most_important_rock_album_of_all_time

Thread title:  Miley Cyrus, Pedobear, and the Hollywood Spectacle

RWHN posts the third example of a media music journo telling us what our opinion should be

Thread over!

[Ben Shapiro]

.  But every decade or so, someone comes along and shoots the kneecap off the current musical scene.  They have to; if they didn't, the whole damn thing would go sterile. 

Of course, it's usually several people.  In this case, it was about 3 people.  Rhiana, Lady Gaga, and now this kid.  The whole twerk-pop no-effort bullshit scene is now as dead as jazz, and it's long past time.

This is the funniest thing I've read in awhile. 

Granted, I'm also in the minority opinion, (on this board), that Lady Gaga is extremely overrated.  I mean, she's basically a living mash-up of Madonna and Marilyn Manson.  I'll give her that she has a decent voice.  Same with Rihanna, who is easily the most talented of the three, but none of them were groundbreaking. 

The music industry has long been deperately looking for another big Nirvana-like, sweeping cultural moment.  Hasn't happened and probably won't ever happen again, not on THAT scale.

It's way too watered down now.  Great music is still being made, to be sure, but not in that big landmark kind of way.

Nirvana was great music? 

Oh my Bob. RWHN is channeling EBS.

Whiny scruffball who wrote some drek and then punked out and offed himself = an artist.

Because penis, that's why.

"WAH WAH WAH I hate being rich and white"  ---- Kurt Cobain

[Ben Shapiro]

Turns out RWHN can see into the future and has proof that Miley Cyrus will have NO impact on music.

Sums up this whole thread.

[Junkenstein]

I, for one, am bitterly disappointed in Kurt Cobain killing himself.

Seriously. Every time some stupid "star" decides to off themselves, you get legions of idiot fans for generations insisting that THE greatest talent ever known is gone. You will never know their like again. Let us entomb ourselves in nostalgia and refuse to face the fact that a good 95%(minimum) of Nirvana's output was total shit. ""In utero" was a classic album" you say. Horseshit, I say. When was the last time you listened to it? Like the rest of nirvana's output, it does not do well against the test of time.

Also, consider how this suicide is responsible for the rise of Dave Grohl and the foo fighters. Fuck those guys. Talk about the very definition of what nirvana was apparently against. Sterile, dull verse/chorus/verse/chorus/chorus next song shite that is fawned over because it shares a tenuous link to something that was apparently culturally significant.

In short, I'd have preferred Kurt to stay alive and live to see how fucking awful everything he truly created is/was. If nothing else it may have stopped Jack Black getting famous. Fuck that guy too. The joke is not funny if you tell it every 5 fucking minutes.


Also, if you consider the impact Vanilla Ice had into getting Rap into the mainstream, he probably is more culturally significant in the long run than Kurt. For example, consider how many white kids today buy rap music compared to grunge/"alternative" music. The key word here is "buy".