I love Miley Cyrus

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

Not quite like this.  All of the above did the "LOOK HOW OUTRAGEOUS I AM" thing, sexuality-wise.  This kid did it in a manner that was grotesque; there was no real attempt at "sexy".  It got the desired results...A mediocre pop star is now the hottest thing on the planet, AND she pretty much wrecked the standard template "Female Pop Star™ forever.

Now she's basically flogging the dead horse for the extra "mutilate the body" points.  She's become OUTRAGE PORN, and the reactions out of people are fucking hysterical...All the way from grumpy old man "I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO TALK ABOUT THIS" to scandalized "THAT LITTLE WHORE" to weird shit, like "THAT SLEAZY DUDE MADE HER DO THIS WIFF HIS MIND CONTROL LAZOR PENIS".

What the fuck isn't to love?   

Fair enough, I guess I just can't see the difference, probably need to be more in tune with what makes her different from Rhiannon and the other pop stars to get the Joke/appeal/scandal. Chalk that up to not having seen any music videos in over a decade.

I don't keep up with the pop and the videos and all that shit. But I know culture troll genius when I see it.

[Faust]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

They did some version or another. This particular iteration is different mostly because she isn't bothering with the glamorous, going straight to uncomfortably pervy with men only existing as props if they exist at all, in a complete reversal of the popstar double standard, and it's working. It's upsetting people, but they aren't ignoring her, they're STARING at her, which is what she wanted.

In that case she is completely successful, people are talking about her and she is going to make a lot of money on this.

Fair enough, I guess I just can't see the difference, probably need to be more in tune with what makes her different from Rhiannon and the other pop stars to get the Joke/appeal/scandal. Chalk that up to not having seen any music videos in over a decade.

I literally had no idea who she was before the VMA thing.  It's still funny. 

Unless it's too mainstream or something, eh?

I realised how hipster what I said was after I posted it, but it is the honest truth, I wouldn't know what is mainstream or alternative any more. I've pirated everything for over the last decade which is all stuff last.fm or grooveshark played that I liked. You kind of miss out on whats going on if you do that.

[AFK]

How do we know it was deliberately bad and not just bad? We ARE talking about the former Hannah Montana AND the offspring of Billy Ray.

I've suffered through a lot of her "acting".  She seems to be pretty good at just being plain bad.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yeah, this kid is good. And she's only 20.

She upstaged LADY GAGA, FFS. People are all like, why can't you be demure and classy like Lady Gaga?

And she did it BADLY.  DELIBERATELY badly.

Gaga is probably hiring a hit man as we speak.

And did you get a load of the lyrics to "Wrecking Ball"?

I came in like a wrecking ball
I never hit so hard in love
All I wanted was to break your walls
All you ever did was wreck me
Yeah you, you wreck me

I never meant to start a war
I just wanted you to let me in
And instead of using force
I guess I should've let you win
I never meant to start a war
I just wanted you to let me in
I guess I should've let you win

No wonder it's all men who are like OH NO OH MY GOD, while women are like HEY THAT'S KIND OF MAKING ME WET.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

How do we know it was deliberately bad and not just bad? We ARE talking about the former Hannah Montana AND the offspring of Billy Ray.

I've suffered through a lot of her "acting".  She seems to be pretty good at just being plain bad.

I am assuming you're talking about the VMAs... it took me a couple of viewings and some research to conclude it was deliberate, but the clincher really came a couple of days later, in her comment and shit-eating grin. "You watched it. I win". 

The video here isn't bad, at all. It's quite good in fact. Just REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE for a lot of people. The sledgehammer, in particular, is really pissing people off. Mostly guys.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

They did some version or another. This particular iteration is different mostly because she isn't bothering with the glamorous, going straight to uncomfortably pervy with men only existing as props if they exist at all, in a complete reversal of the popstar double standard, and it's working. It's upsetting people, but they aren't ignoring her, they're STARING at her, which is what she wanted.

In that case she is completely successful, people are talking about her and she is going to make a lot of money on this.

Fair enough, I guess I just can't see the difference, probably need to be more in tune with what makes her different from Rhiannon and the other pop stars to get the Joke/appeal/scandal. Chalk that up to not having seen any music videos in over a decade.

I literally had no idea who she was before the VMA thing.  It's still funny. 

Unless it's too mainstream or something, eh?

I realised how hipster what I said was after I posted it, but it is the honest truth, I wouldn't know what is mainstream or alternative any more. I've pirated everything for over the last decade which is all stuff last.fm or grooveshark played that I liked. You kind of miss out on whats going on if you do that.

I thought you'd see the humor in that.    Anyway, tell you what...Watch the video, and see if you can spot what makes it so damn disturbing.

[AFK]

I don't get why it is uncomfortable.  Honestly I think it is kind of boring.  If people are upset because she's naked, well that's only been done by like almost every super huge female pop star since Madonna.  And the sledgehammer thing is just weird.  I watch that and I'm not thinking "phallic", I'm thinking, "gee, that must taste really bad"

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How do we know it was deliberately bad and not just bad? We ARE talking about the former Hannah Montana AND the offspring of Billy Ray.

I've suffered through a lot of her "acting".  She seems to be pretty good at just being plain bad.

I am assuming you're talking about the VMAs... it took me a couple of viewings and some research to conclude it was deliberate, but the clincher really came a couple of days later, in her comment and shit-eating grin. "You watched it. I win". 

The video here isn't bad, at all. It's quite good in fact. Just REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE for a lot of people. The sledgehammer, in particular, is really pissing people off. Mostly guys.

One thing I find fascinating about what she's done is this:  She burned every bridge behind her, and grinned like a maniac.

And if that's not Discordia, I'll kiss my own ass.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I don't get why it is uncomfortable.  Honestly I think it is kind of boring.  If people are upset because she's naked, well that's only been done by like almost every super huge female pop star since Madonna.  And the sledgehammer thing is just weird.  I watch that and I'm not thinking "phallic", I'm thinking, "gee, that must taste really bad"

It's not supposed to be phallic.

There's something missing in that video, that makes things sorta jangle when compared to pop music videos.

Let's see if you spot it.

[AFK]

It seems to be missing content that would make it interesting.

Also, from some research it looks like she neither wrote the song nor directed the video.  So how is she not just another manufactured pop star like all of the other manufactured pop stars who don't write their own music?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This album is actually, based on an interview I read with her, the first project over which she has had complete creative control. So, she doesn't write the songs but she buys them, hires the director of her choice, etc.

In other words, she is manufactured, but she is also the manufacturer.

Sort of like how Dale Chihuly is still the artist even though he hires people to make his work, only with more integrity.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's not a particularly great or interesting song. I like it, but it's just OK. It's the whole package and presentation that's interesting. She IS doing all the things. All the pop star things. Following the formula... except for one missing ingredient, and that ingredient is pissing everyone off, even though they can't articulate why. It's beautiful.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not a particularly great or interesting song. I like it, but it's just OK. It's the whole package and presentation that's interesting. She IS doing all the things. All the pop star things. Following the formula... except for one missing ingredient, and that ingredient is pissing everyone off, even though they can't articulate why. It's beautiful.

It bugged me all day until I spotted it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It seems to be missing content that would make it interesting.

Okay.

Also, from some research it looks like she neither wrote the song nor directed the video.  So how is she not just another manufactured pop star like all of the other manufactured pop stars who don't write their own music?

I don't expect pop stars to direct.  It's not what they do.  I am also not bothered that she didn't write the song, whether or not you mean the music or the lyrics...Even Elton John doesn't write his own lyrics, he has Bernie Taupin for that.  Usually Elton John's IDEA, but Taupin's LYRICS.

Thing is, there's something really neat about that video, but I can't really make you pay attention, if you hate it that much.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Didn't Madonna, Kylie, Britney and various other derivations do that pretty much every year in some guise or form since forever.

I wonder would the reaction have been the same if she hadn't been in a disney show.

They did some version or another. This particular iteration is different mostly because she isn't bothering with the glamorous, going straight to uncomfortably pervy with men only existing as props if they exist at all, in a complete reversal of the popstar double standard, and it's working. It's upsetting people, but they aren't ignoring her, they're STARING at her, which is what she wanted.

In that case she is completely successful, people are talking about her and she is going to make a lot of money on this.

Yep I think you're spot-on about that.