On Jazz.

[Kai]

Jazz should fuck itself in the earhole with itself.

So should hip-hop.

[East Coast Hustle]

Actually, I was kind of hoping you'd say exactly that. It turns out, the two are intertwined more frequently than you might think. See, I think if Jazz as being sort of like pop's think-tank (pop includes the vast majority of rock and hip-hop). On its own in its purest form, it's barely distinguishable from meaningless noise. But the ideas and innovations that have been birthed there have made all of music richer. There's a whole lot of musically great hip-hop out there (just like any other genre). Much of it is full of jazz-ish live instrumentation. Interestingly, in spite of how much I generally dislike jazz itself, this tends to be some of my favorite hip-hop to listen to. The melody and the warmth of the actual instruments provides something that much hip-hop lacks, and the jazz finally finds what it needed all along to turn it from a puppet into a real boy - a simple and catchy beat.

check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n65x_cSHSHE

[Kai]

Actually, I was kind of hoping you'd say exactly that. It turns out, the two are intertwined more frequently than you might think. See, I think if Jazz as being sort of like pop's think-tank (pop includes the vast majority of rock and hip-hop). On its own in its purest form, it's barely distinguishable from meaningless noise. But the ideas and innovations that have been birthed there have made all of music richer. There's a whole lot of musically great hip-hop out there (just like any other genre). Much of it is full of jazz-ish live instrumentation. Interestingly, in spite of how much I generally dislike jazz itself, this tends to be some of my favorite hip-hop to listen to. The melody and the warmth of the actual instruments provides something that much hip-hop lacks, and the jazz finally finds what it needed all along to turn it from a puppet into a real boy - a simple and catchy beat.

check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n65x_cSHSHE

While I agree that's catchy, sounds more like ska than jazz to me.

And once again, I say: fuck what you think you know about noise.

On the other hand, I'm glad you weren't JUST taking the piss. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have two problems with Jazz.

1.  It hasn't had much to say in years, and
2.  What it's repeating makes me go berserk.

And much like any kind of music, Sturgeon's Law applies.

It's not the performers.  It's the genre itself.  It's like Muzak, and it just plain drives me nuts.

There were some exceptions, back in the day (and by that I mean "before my father was born").  But that's not how I bet.

[minuspace]

I was so excited that Sun-Ra was going to do a jam session in the studio...  Well, let's just say it put Coltrain's Sun Ship to shame...

Jazz != an excuse to play pentatonic scales at random.

[rong]

Some jazz really knocks my socks off and some of it I don't care for at all.  The jazz I don't like has a certain quality that I can only describe as "sterile"

 Ironic, considering the origins of the word itself.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

When I watched Treme, the series on New Orleans post Katrina, I really enjoyed the new orleans tradition stuff on the soundtrack.

and the track ECH linked doesn't feel ska-like at all, the vocals feel more Jazz/ old school R&B than ska.

[LMNO]

I started a Jazz history thread in Apple Talk, if anyone cares to listen to some music on YouTube.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I started a Jazz history thread in Apple Talk, if anyone cares to listen to some music on YouTube.

I'm there. And I actually like the 20's stuff, a lot 30's jazz isn't too bad either.

After that...well, I'll see if you can change my mind. 

[minuspace]

I started a Jazz history thread in Apple Talk, if anyone cares to listen to some music on YouTube.

I'm there. And I actually like the 20's stuff, a lot 30's jazz isn't too bad either.

After that...well, I'll see if you can change my mind. 

For Miles, then, it was like you "have to play a long time to sound like yourself": that sounds like a reason to peruse post 30's jazz.  Really can't go wrong with Bitche's Brew

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