It's that time of year again...

[AFK]

I want to put something in context, Reverend WHN.

In 1995, I was ten. I didn't know what the hell Nirvana was, much less that Kurt Cobain had died the year before. I do remember a darn good Bill Nye parody of "Smells like Teen Spirit" called "Air Pressure", but I didn't even understand the connection till I was out of High School. I was listening to music my parents listened to, classic rock and the like. By the time I had gotten to an age where I might have cared about Nirvana, their time was long since passed. The early 2000s were full of shitty music on the radio, but I was by that point deeply into classical guitar and didn't listen to the radio anyway.

In other words, I really don't have any opinions about Nirvana. And it seems like the people who really do, who really like them, all are of a certain age, where they were in their late teens or early twenties during the early 90's, of a certain high school or college scene, and certain image. The only other people who seem to care about that band are the ones who make money off of it, or are critics trying to buy their way into that crowd. From my (limited) standpoint, it seems to be a whole lot of hype that didn't stand the test of time. But YMMV; come ask me again in 20 years.

I have a brother about the same age who DID get into Nirvana when he got older despite them not being around anymore.  He had posters, the entire discography, t-shirts, and a lot of his friends were into them too.  Kind of how when I was in college there were a ton of kids into bands like Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Doors, Queen, Floyd, etc.  Nirvana had a very short career, only 3 studio albums, but they had an impact larger than bands who've been around twice that amount of time.  They were a powderkeg right when music needed it. 


There was a whole generation of kids who weren't resonating with the bloated excesses of the dying 80s scenes.  Nirvana got right to the point.  They reflected this sort of listless angst, and honestly anger, that was amongst this generation.  I know this because I was part of that generation and knew many who really got into Nirvana who were in the same place,  And it wasn't just is weirdos, it cut across cliques. 


And they are still an influence.  Fuck, I loathe what she stands for, but even Ms. Cyrus has covered Teen Spirit as demonstrated in the YouTube video I posted earlier.  No one has done what Nirvana did since.  But, then again, the music scene really isn't set up for that kind of movement anymore anyway.

[AFK]

http://www.musicroom.com/blog/music-news/10-marks-left-by-kurt-cobain-and-nirvana-on-modern-music-makers

Vernon Reid of Living Colour sees the front man as a lightning rod: "Cobain changed the course of where the music went [...] There are certain people where you can see the axis of musical history twisting on them: Hendrix was pivotal, Prince was pivotal, Cobain was pivotal."

[Kai]

Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.

You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you. I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them. On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.

[AFK]

Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.

That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed. 

You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.

That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 

I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]

I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me.  I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.

On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.

Oh, irony.

[Ben Shapiro]

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

You were the one that said "allies".  Please see my sig.

And the "common enemy" is pot, but he's enamored with the (false) idea that a junkie is GOD TO A WHOLE GENERATION.

[AFK]

Thread split please, you can put the drug posts into the current drug thread.


Thanks.

[Kai]

Your point is moot. Why? I don't care, that's why. Obviously Kurt Cobain didn't care, since he took a lot of drugs and then offed himself. Course, he was over the age of 18, so you don't really care either.

That's a very easy judgement for you to make.  How do you know he didn't care?  Drug addiction is a disease of the brain, it isn't so cut and dry to just say that someone doesn't care.  Same with suicide.  He was a person who certainly had some mental health issues that were not being addressed.

You seem to be operating under the assumption of Cartesian duality; whether he was ill or depressed, he still didn't care. Which is irrelevant; I sure know /you/ don't care (the point). You've said as much before, that your moral community doesn't include anyone over the age of 18.

You can talk all day how you think Nirvana was the most influential, greatest band or whatever, but when it comes down to it, none of us agree with you.

That's okay.  But there are many, many who do agree with me, including many professionals in the music industry, and they will be inducted first ballot. 

The HoF is irrelevant to deciding what is worth listening to.

I frankly don't understand it, and I don't think I would unless I was part of that pseudo-rebellious scene. [size=78%]And it's a bit funny to me you identify with them[/size][/size]

I wasn't part of any "pseudo-rebellious" scene and it was plain as day to me. I was a bit of a weirdo, but I was the straight-A, college prep kid.  I was a hair metal fan, and still am a fan of that music.  But hair metal is party music, it is very surface-level.  For kids with a bit more of an EQ, a band like Nirvana hit all of the right marks.  it was a bit deeper than, "Hey let's get drunk and fuck!".  Not that there is anything wrong with that ( KISS ), but it isn't very deep.

Thus the pseudo-rebellion. Pseudo being a common prefix meaning "false". You.../do/ know that, right?

On the other hand, you also seem to have allies in the alcohol industry. Like an onion, you have many layers of hypocrisy.

Having a common enemy and being allies are two very different things.

Sure they are. And at 10:52 PM on October 8th, 2013, you said, and I quote, "So I took a public jab at the folks at MPP and gained an interesting new ally.  The liquor industry. " Your words. Now, I couldn't care less who your "bedfellows" are. To me, it's just another layer of hypocrisy, just another reason to dislike you. Phox left because of your nonsense, and I doubt she is coming back. So what I want is for you to leave, and to not come back.

[hirley0]

I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

nopE

[Cain]

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[East Coast Hustle]

I thought Nirvana and Pearl Jam were the same thing for a long time. As soon as the whining screeching started, I changed the station. Couldn't stand their voices.

They don't sound even remotely similar.

It all sounded like garbage at the time. Sorry.

That's because Garbage was also produced by Butch Vig.

That guy gets around.

He produces pop music. It's his job.

nopE