So, it looks like my child-rearing philosophy was correct...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Another thread derailed. Yay.

Observe my Buddha-like dispassionate response.  Spank threads are and have always been exactly what is said on the label, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Another thread derailed. Yay.

Observe my Buddha-like dispassionate response.  Spank threads are and have always been exactly what is said on the label, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

[Ben Shapiro]

Lol

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Another thread derailed. Yay.

Observe my Buddha-like dispassionate response.  Spank threads are and have always been exactly what is said on the label, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

[Dildo Argentino]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Lastly, the only way to teach compassion, unfortunately, is pain and/or distress.  Now, I have NOT read any research on this, but in my experience with other parents, the ones that say "never spank at any age" always seem to have horrible sociopaths for teenagers.

My kids are counterexamples. I know several dozen others. Also, the only way to teach compassion, fortunately, is to show it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Yeah, there's really no point in answering something that was already answered in the thread, so I'm going to go see what I can fit in my ass.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Yeah, there's really no point in answering something that was already answered in the thread, so I'm going to go see what I can fit in my ass.

Holist's entire face?

[Dildo Argentino]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Yeah, there's really no point in answering something that was already answered in the thread, so I'm going to go see what I can fit in my ass.

My bad, I didn't read it through. Sorry.
But, in actual fact, having raised 4 kids to the age of being able to decide not to stick forks into power outlets (wouldn't that just short the power outlet and blow the fuse??), I never had a problem with that, despite never spanking. I do recall sitting with one 2-year old by a power point and moving his hand away and saying no about 200 times in a row. Then he stopped being interested and stayed that way. Only now, that I am raising the 5th one, have I learned that there is actually a device you can fit to your electrical system for that very eventuality, a very fast power interrupter that responds to short-circuits fast enough to avoid electric shock. I actually had one fitted. It was blown, several months later. By a 10-year-old sticking a knife into a toaster to get stuck toast out. Didn't occur to me to explain that.

[Dildo Argentino]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Yeah, there's really no point in answering something that was already answered in the thread, so I'm going to go see what I can fit in my ass.

Holist's entire face?

Yeah, probably followed by the rest of him...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

But, in actual fact, having raised 4 kids to the age of being able to decide not to stick forks into power outlets (wouldn't that just short the power outlet and blow the fuse??),

Well, there's only one way to find out, right?   

FOR SCIENCE!



Listen up, everyone.  The trades are really, really easy and everyone who's anyone understands them completely, because tradesmen aren't trained linguists.  However, at this point I feel I should post a pretty strong warning:  IF THE FORK HITS THE HOT SIDE OF THE OUTLET, UNLESS YOU MANAGE TO GET A TINE INTO BOTH SIDES OF THE OUTLET AT THE EXACT SAME MOMENT, YOU WILL PROBABLY DIE.

Now, one side of the outlet is neutral, meaning NOT HOT, meaning OKAY.  The other side, though, is all full of SCIENCE.  BAD SCIENCE THAT WANTS TO HURT YOU and DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LANGUAGE SKILLS because it's UNFAIR.

So when the kid shoves the fork into the outlet, he/she has a 50% chance of getting 110VAC at 10-20 amps (220 at 5-10 in Europe, IIRC).  This is FATAL in many cases, as it sort of, you know, MAKES YOUR HEART BEAT ALL JIGGERY POKERY and NO OXYGEN GETS TO YOUR BRAIN and YOU DIE.

So, while I know that this is all very simple, common information that everyone knows, your results may vary. 

[Dildo Argentino]

But, in actual fact, having raised 4 kids to the age of being able to decide not to stick forks into power outlets (wouldn't that just short the power outlet and blow the fuse??),

Well, there's only one way to find out, right?   

FOR SCIENCE!



Listen up, everyone.  The trades are really, really easy and everyone who's anyone understands them completely, because tradesmen aren't trained linguists.  However, at this point I feel I should post a pretty strong warning:  IF THE FORK HITS THE HOT SIDE OF THE OUTLET, UNLESS YOU MANAGE TO GET A TINE INTO BOTH SIDES OF THE OUTLET AT THE EXACT SAME MOMENT, YOU WILL PROBABLY DIE.

Now, one side of the outlet is neutral, meaning NOT HOT, meaning OKAY.  The other side, though, is all full of SCIENCE.  BAD SCIENCE THAT WANTS TO HURT YOU and DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUR LANGUAGE SKILLS because it's UNFAIR.

So when the kid shoves the fork into the outlet, he/she has a 50% chance of getting 110VAC at 10-20 amps (220 at 5-10 in Europe, IIRC).  This is FATAL in many cases, as it sort of, you know, MAKES YOUR HEART BEAT ALL JIGGERY POKERY and NO OXYGEN GETS TO YOUR BRAIN and YOU DIE.

So, while I know that this is all very simple, common information that everyone knows, your results may vary.

Thanks for the lecture, I'll keep that in mind.

I don't know about the shape of US power outlets, but the ones over here: it would be actually quite difficult to get any part of a fork into either of the holes, come to think of it. You'd have to bend the fork quite a lot. Can 2-year-olds do that? Also, venting your amazement at my incompetence has, once again, served you well in sidestepping the more interesting question - was spanking actually life-saving for your kids?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And for those of you who feel that this is largely unfair because the electricity will not listen to esoteric arguments, allow me to introduce you to your pal, MISTER WELL-ESTABLISHED KNOWLEDGE.

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~p616/safety/fatal_current.html

So, unfair as it may be, this sort of thing isn't up for debate.  I mean, you CAN debate it, but the outlet isn't listening.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Can 2-year-olds do that?

Two year olds are fucking GENIUSES when it comes to self-destruction.  Simply BREEDING doesn't mean you've beaten Darwin.  FIRST, you have to breed.  THEN you have to keep the little sprog from KILLING HIM/HERSELF in wildly varying ways.  Then YOU have to not kill them as teenagers.  Then when THEY breed, YOU HAVE BEATEN DARWIN, because now it's THEIR problem.

And I have no idea if spanking spared a fatal event, because the fatal event never happened, because I taught my kids to stay away from certain things when they were toddlers.  They're both grown up now, and they don't seem to be overly traumatized by my primitive and tyrannical methods.

[Dildo Argentino]

Thing is, between the ages of 8 and 45, I've had some several dozen shocks from the mains power we tend to have around here, which is around 220 V at 10 or sometimes 16 Amps maximum. And lived to tell the tale. I realise that others are more sensitive. I certainly wish to protect my kids from accidental electric shocks. I'm just not convinced that spanking them is the only way to go. Or even that it is a way to go. Or to make them pay attention. Not to mention that minor little point about teaching compassion. But never mind.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Spanking won't make them understand or change their mind, either...But it will condition them to stay away from such things, which keeps them alive, which is in fact your first responsibility to them.

So I'm guessing you are so old that cheap and childproof plastic plugs for power outlets were unheared of when your kids were toddlers?

Yeah, there's really no point in answering something that was already answered in the thread, so I'm going to go see what I can fit in my ass.

My bad, I didn't read it through. Sorry.
But, in actual fact, having raised 4 kids to the age of being able to decide not to stick forks into power outlets (wouldn't that just short the power outlet and blow the fuse??), I never had a problem with that, despite never spanking. I do recall sitting with one 2-year old by a power point and moving his hand away and saying no about 200 times in a row. Then he stopped being interested and stayed that way. Only now, that I am raising the 5th one, have I learned that there is actually a device you can fit to your electrical system for that very eventuality, a very fast power interrupter that responds to short-circuits fast enough to avoid electric shock. I actually had one fitted. It was blown, several months later. By a 10-year-old sticking a knife into a toaster to get stuck toast out. Didn't occur to me to explain that.

Yes, it's called a ground fault interrupt, and it has a very good chance of saving your life in such a case.  Now all you have to do is MAKE SURE THAT EVERY OUTLET THE KID GOES NEAR FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS A GFCI ATTACHED TO IT.

Which is a brilliant and infallible strategy for which I commend you.