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Started by Q. G. Pennyworth, November 11, 2013, 07:50:02 PM

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November 11, 2013, 07:50:02 PM


The Good Reverend Roger

#1
November 11, 2013, 08:12:09 PM
NICE.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#2
November 11, 2013, 08:46:07 PM
I hadn't heard of Emmeline Pankhurst until I found this picture. Not sure about the ethics of everything she did, but dayum that bitch was free.

The Good Reverend Roger

#3
November 11, 2013, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 11, 2013, 08:46:07 PM
I hadn't heard of Emmeline Pankhurst until I found this picture. Not sure about the ethics of everything she did, but dayum that bitch was free.

Not so sure about the arson bit.

But a bit of window smashing and cop-thumping seemed to be reasonable.  Anyone who goes their whole life without smashing a window has missed something.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Junkenstein

#4
November 11, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
Love it. More of this kind of thing.

Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#5
November 11, 2013, 10:12:03 PM
More, you say?




Q. G. Pennyworth

#6
November 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Say what you will about Occupy, Oakland managed to stay a pain in everyone's asses the entire time.

Junkenstein

#7
November 11, 2013, 10:16:35 PM
Really liking this. Will say better words when thinking smarter.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

The Good Reverend Roger

#8
November 11, 2013, 10:22:56 PM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 11, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Say what you will about Occupy, Oakland managed to stay a pain in everyone's asses the entire time.

That can be a measure of success.  You might not BEAT them, but you MIGHT be able to make them take ulcer medication.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#9
November 11, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
I have an idea for this, but it will have to wait a couple of hours.  AFTER HOURS MEETING TEIM.

(This man is NOT free)
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#10
November 11, 2013, 10:50:25 PM
These are great, QG!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Junkenstein

#11
November 11, 2013, 11:16:30 PM
Fuck it, taking a stab. QG, forgive what follows. Possibly. Let's see.

The aspects of freedom that are highlighted here are pretty stark examples. The two that hit quite hard for me were Swartz and the Pussy Riot Member. Both stunning modern examples of FUCK YOU freedom. She knew what was going to happen fucking with Putin. Everyone's knows what happens when you fuck with Putin. It's never good, just a scale of bad. It takes balls to do that knowing the consequences. A large part of freedom is taking disproportionate and unreasonable consequences for your momentary act. If the punishment wasn't so bad, everyone might just start doing it you see.

Swartz is kind of the other end of this axis. Intellectually, he probably knew how much he could likely stand to lose. Could anyone say that the punishment that he was facing was anything other than draconian? Facing a ruined life, he chose suicide. While regrettable to say the least, it is in many ways one of the ultimate demonstrations of freedom. From Socrates to Swatz, the persecuted have chosen suicide rather than face meaningless suffering.

Is this the only light to consider freedom in, the freedom to get punished and suffer consequences or lack of? Well, it's kind of worthless to consider the opposite. Freedoms to be happy and live and smiles and sunshine are pretty meaningless when you're still working out how not to fuck people with dissenting opinions.

Another angle I'm thinking here is sort of levels of consensual freedom. Apparently society currently condones our laws and has defined how each citizen is free, within certain guidelines, boundaries, restrictions, forms, laws, by-laws, etc.. There's always a creep to push back what is acceptable and currently it seems that a majority will agree to these added impositions because TERRUH. Police forces are getting more militarized daily because of Drug gangs. When all your neighbours agree that the police can search their houses without a warrant, are you going to send them away? Really? This decision WILL directly affect how free you are likely to be in the in immediate and near future. In some situations, you're as free as the monkey next door decided you are.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#12
November 11, 2013, 11:23:48 PM
You must have said something right because my screen's all blurry.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#13
November 11, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
You got sold a false bill of goods.

It's not your fault, it happens to the best of us. The most important thing is to just nut up and admit that you've been suckered, so you can try and make things right.

Someone told you Freedom isn't Free.

Maybe they're not the asshole, maybe it was your friend, your mom, your teacher, it doesn't matter. Somewhere along the line the bad signal crept in and it wended its way through society until it ended up at your doorstep, and it looked like Patriotism and Self-Reliance and so you let it in, and now it's running around wrecking shit, and you don't even remember what Freedom looks like. Let me remind you.


  • Freedom isn't Security. Freedom will not stop bullets or tazers or thugs in literal or figurative jackboots. Freedom will not prevent you from getting cancer or blown up or picked on.

  • Freedom isn't granted. Nobody can ever make you Free, the most anyone can ever do is to remind you what Freedom looks like.

  • Freedom lives in your heart and in your heart alone. People who are Free can be locked up and tortured and abused, but that doesn't take away their Freedom. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had more Freedom in the jailhouse in Birmingham than most people get in their whole lifetimes.

  • Freedom is messy.

The Good Reverend Roger

#14
November 12, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 11, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
You got sold a false bill of goods.

It's not your fault, it happens to the best of us. The most important thing is to just nut up and admit that you've been suckered, so you can try and make things right.

Someone told you Freedom isn't Free.

Maybe they're not the asshole, maybe it was your friend, your mom, your teacher, it doesn't matter. Somewhere along the line the bad signal crept in and it wended its way through society until it ended up at your doorstep, and it looked like Patriotism and Self-Reliance and so you let it in, and now it's running around wrecking shit, and you don't even remember what Freedom looks like. Let me remind you.


  • Freedom isn't Security. Freedom will not stop bullets or tazers or thugs in literal or figurative jackboots. Freedom will not prevent you from getting cancer or blown up or picked on.

  • Freedom isn't granted. Nobody can ever make you Free, the most anyone can ever do is to remind you what Freedom looks like.

  • Freedom lives in your heart and in your heart alone. People who are Free can be locked up and tortured and abused, but that doesn't take away their Freedom. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had more Freedom in the jailhouse in Birmingham than most people get in their whole lifetimes.

  • Freedom is messy.

Freedom is as simple as "NOPE".
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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