Mommy Shaming

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Here, this is a better example:

It is another form of mommy shaming. You don't know what led to them having a bigger family, and being a judgey concern troll about it isn't something to be proud of.

Birthrates in the US are well below replacement levels, even with some people having "more than their share."

You know, I just can't see myself ever sticking up for QG again.

DOUR,
Judgey Concern Troll

If you approached this with the right wrong maximally uncharitable frame of mind, and for whatever reason are compelled to throw in allegations of sexism you have prior evidence to believe are untrue, you might read that response as:

Attention weak and vulnerable female:

You appear to not be in total solidarity with tribal doctrine, as exemplified by the opinions currently held by Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. You will cease this at once, and return to only speaking supportively of the Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around. Otherwise, when, not if, weak and vulnerable female next runs into trouble, Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around might not extend his aegis of iron-haired protection to her. Largest And Hairiest Male Ape-Man-Yeti-Thing Around is stating this out loud as a warning to any other weak and vulnerable females who might be thinking of stepping.

You stupid shit, that's the fucking attitude you were DEFENDING in this thread, AND it's the argument I was arguing against.

You fucked up little intellectually dishonest shitbag.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

Yeah?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Good point.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The intermediate position is that you wanted position me closer to holist in social space and distance yourself from me. As holist is wildly and deservedly unpopular at the moment, this would weaken my social standing, and to the extent that I am not part of whatever in-group you are moving towards, strengthen yours.

And here we have GA's real concern.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Usually when I fail to understand something to this extent, it means that there's a massive amount of context I'm ignoring?

Yeah, there fucking is.  But don't let THAT stop ya, pal!  Just giddyap and lead us to a bright new future.

[Reginald Ret]

Except the part where race has nothing to do with overpopulation and resource consumption. And I've never said that human beings are wastes of space. If I felt that way I would be in favor of warfare. I am a pacifist. A rather adamant one at that.

Point of order:  Every war has resulted in a net population GAIN.  No shit.  People fuck faster than you can shoot them.  (Sarcasm aside, the boom after the war invariable makes up and exceeds the casualties of the war, in every case).

The only event that significantly reduced the human population was the black plague.  And THAT didn't last long, either.

There's another event that significantly reduced the human population.

I'm drawing a blank. I do know at one point we almost faced extinction, and worldwide population floated around 2000.

It's affecting Japan and a few other nations right now.

Radioactivity on fertility rates?

Prosperity.

Well, that's the ultimate win/win, if we can make it sustainable for everyone.

You see, it turns out that living a long healthy life and having the possibility of being something other than a breeding machine severely impacts a human's desire to gestate and push out child after child at the expense of their own health and longevity.

Prosperity is relative, and one of the key markers is education, which is not resource-intensive.

Can we at least all agree that this is a good thing?
I'm most interested in the opinions of the pro-breeding camp.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Holist is back! 

[Dildo Argentino]

I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing.

[Dildo Argentino]

I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.

What a SNIDE remark!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

So hey, it's quite simple: I didn't aim for no reproduction rate, I just got married young, had three boys in succession, my wife left me after 13 years and then a while later I found my ideal spouse and current wife, who happened to have two kids of her own. Then we went and had a kid as well. So that's six, not planned or aimed at, more of a drifting, aimless thing.

So, no planning ahead or anything.

Seems very...enlightened.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would be interested in hearing holists line of thinking that lead to his socially and ecologically irresponsible decision to aim for a reproduction rate that high.

Well, if he can't attract a following, he can just GROW one.

What a SNIDE remark!

How good of you to notice!

[Dildo Argentino]

Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

Yeah.

[Dildo Argentino]

I still like him but I don't think he likes us anymore 

Au contraire!

[Dildo Argentino]

I gotta love how he's attacking my "choice" to be a poor single mother.

Was I? Sure didn't mean to!

What a dick. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.

Yeah.

Well, you know.  Holy Man™.