Mommy Shaming

[P3nT4gR4m]

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

If this doesn't get through, my trolling probability will be all the way to 1

[LMNO]

Incidentally ECH, your command of uncommon vulgarity is a wonder to behold.

I mean, "whistledick"?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally ECH, your command of uncommon vulgarity is a wonder to behold.

I mean, "whistledick"?

I consider myself a master of insulting language, and I frequently find myself in awe of ECH. 

[East Coast Hustle]

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.

I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2^nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2^nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1^st protein pokes the 2^nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs¹ one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.

¹ ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.

P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite  a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.

P.P.S. This was fun!

AHahaha I like this! There's NADP+ and NADPH in there too.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Eh, I'm just going to stop trying to catch up on holist.

I have photosynthesis to catch up on, which is much more interesting. So here I am, missing the last 5 pages.

Oh yeah! We just started photosynthesis this week too. We should talk about that.

I put Holist back on ignore. He's just not capable of maintaining more than brief glimpses of being interesting before he reverts to boring babboonery. It's disappointing, but whatever.

I don't remember the details, but isn't photosynthesis one of the real life examples of quantum mechanics in action?
The series of proteins that start with absorbing a photon and end with iirc changing ADP + P -> ATP. So far nothing strange, right?
The only thing is, the efficiency of this transfer of energy is above 95%. This is not possible without quantum coherence, or so i read. I tried to better my understanding by reading up on quantum coherence but i couldn't wrap my head around it (yet, i'll think about it some more). This is of course not surprising because quantum. Dammit, i got distracted by quantum.
Anyway, there is this one protein that reacts to getting hit by a photon by changing it's configuration. (This is what proteins do, stuff interacts with them and they change shape. Pretty cool if you ask me) This brings the part of the protein that just got energy added to it (the photon agitated an electron in 'orbit' around an atom so it went into a higher 'orbit' making it more susceptible to interaction with other stuff) closer to the right part of the 2^nd protein in the cascade. This electron is understandably agitated, after all, he was just chilling out in his favorite orbit and out of nowhere this photon pushes him out of his comfort zone! This 2^nd protein's electron accepts the extra energy because the agitated electron on the 1^st protein pokes the 2^nd protein until one of it's electrons gets agitated. The agitated electron on the first protein immediatly calms the fuck down after venting his irritation. He goes back to his favorite orbit and drinks some camomile tea. This sad cascade of violence happens a few more times untill the agitation energy is brought to the other side of the membrane (did i tell you all of this is happening in the membrane of a chloroplast? it is) where quite a lot of ADP and loose P are hanging out being useless little shits. Now, the last agitated electron in the cascade is just as agitated as the first one, even though he knows nothing of the photon that originally started it all. So he grabs¹ one of each of these useless bums and smashes their heads together untill they learn to play nice and work together becoming the team known as ATP.

¹ ok, technically they were already held by the last protein, and the addition of the energy to the protein leads to a change in its shape that instantly smashes the two bums together, but that was harder to write into the story.

P.S. Ok, so I did remember quite  a lot of details. I'm still not entirely sure if ADP + P -> ATP is the reaction that happens at the end though. Could be something else.

P.P.S. This was fun!

This is quite interesting, and something for me to keep in mind, and probably think about more, but the quantum mechanics aspect is a little bit out of the scope of this at the moment. But the link up between biology, and indeed something as vital as autotrophy being linked to quantum mechanics sounds extremely interesting.

[Dildo Argentino]

Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Interesting, because it doesn't seem to vary that much from where I'm sitting.  Perhaps you should reconsider that.

I think I was recently tentatively rehabilitated for the fourth time when Nigel told me about a perceived character flaw and I said she was probably right. It does vary, you're just being opinionated.

[Dildo Argentino]

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

Well, it's certainly not you.

I'm certainly part of it. But I am also certain that not all them pesky underlying variables are driven by me.

[Dildo Argentino]

Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

Kind words.

(Also, condescending words, but hey, I've gotten used to that... I'm glad that you were able to start acting like a real person right after you got through puberty. Let me ask: do you perceive any further improvement in yourself since then? I emigrated when I was 17, and I still think it was a good move... on the other hand, I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I've only just reached a point where I would say I have successfully dealt with it. I don't wish to get rid of the responsibility: self-medicating with weed for about 25 years certainly didn't help, and yes, I let many an opportunity pass me by because I was distracted by my neurosis. Maybe you were better at it... maybe you were just lucky. Maybe your self-assessment isn't quite right.)

[Ben Shapiro]

Also, I didn't tell any mother they were not raising their kids right. I expressed surprise at the Little Man being the way he is with no particular reason and asked for clarification. In between the shower of abuse that generated, I actually was given an explanation. But that doesn't matter, because a frustrated middle-aged American engineer with toddler-discipline and marital problems, and questionable views on art, has spent years of diligent work laying out a little piece of turf for himself, which he protects fiercely. His toolkit is defined by his favourite hobbies: character assassination and manipulative lying.

See the thing that changed when this started is very simple: while so far I did continue to harbour the ambition of getting to a point where at least a part of PD understand and voice that understanding, I've finally given that up. The web of taboo is too strong, Roger's policing too practised, too successful.

For a while, I viewed starting with homeopathy way back when, and the lower-case only writing, as mistakes. And in general, testing a new social environment immediately with what I perceive it to be the heaviest implement available is indeed a character-flaw (see my 'first attempt at standing on hind legs'). But here, it worked. The outcome would have been no different had I begun on a less controversial note. It simply would have required more time.

Apart from that, I got attacked, hated and dismissed for believing and arguing that:

Third-world cities differ from first-world cities in a fundamental way
There may be interesting differences between the archaic and the modern human mind (people born and raised and spending their lives in monolythic cultures as opposed to the current megapopulation)
That freelance translation has a number of aspects that are similar to prostitution
That the bad thing, or the fundamental bad thing about the sex-industry may not be the exchange of sex for money, and that it may be possible to arrange a sex industry in a manner that makes it very significantly less damaging for the sex-workers
That 'authenticity' is a term that is validly applicable to music and to art in general
That a child who is like the Little Man described by Gogira does not get that way without appropriate, traumatic environmental influences

I think I may have missed out one or two...

Yep. I'm a monster.

Nigel (a special, personal message for Nigel): when it comes to condescending, you do quite well, too. But 'there are likeable aspects to your personality', too, and I haven't, as yet, given up on 'being kind to you' and 'trying to befriend'.

You still don't seem to get that it's really just that nobody likes you.

No, I do get that. But I've also noted that it varies. I'm looking for the underlying variables.

The more you talk, the less variance there is. I don't have anything personal against you, dude, and I really hope you eventually figure out how to relate to humans that fall outside your comfort zone without being such a twat, but RIGHT FUCKING NOW you are an insufferable whistledick. I kind of feel for you because I used to be quite a bit like you (at least in regards to how I approached social situations from the outside) but then I got through puberty and started acting like a real person. Here's hoping you find that same path someday.

Kind words.

(Also, condescending words, but hey, I've gotten used to that... I'm glad that you were able to start acting like a real person right after you got through puberty. Let me ask: do you perceive any further improvement in yourself since then? I emigrated when I was 17, and I still think it was a good move... on the other hand, I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I've only just reached a point where I would say I have successfully dealt with it. I don't wish to get rid of the responsibility: self-medicating with weed for about 25 years certainly didn't help, and yes, I let many an opportunity pass me by because I was distracted by my neurosis. Maybe you were better at it... maybe you were just lucky. Maybe your self-assessment isn't quite right.)

It's the Jews fault I'm a loser!

[Dildo Argentino]

Flattery will get you nowhere.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

[Dildo Argentino]

I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

I think maybe you could start by noting that "hol" means "where" in Hungarian. Hm? Whereism? Ideological cluelessness? Maybe you could work that in.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I think we need to redefine holism.

It's a system of holes. Holist is a hole engineer. Nothing to do with water. Just holes. Well, maybe wells. Wells are holes with water. Maybe he can be a well holist. Or would it be a hole wellist?

No... no... no, scratch the "hole" thing, back to the drawing board.

No, no, keep the "hole" thing. He's an assholist. And a whistledick. (Thanks, ECH, I like that one.)

The thing is, when people snark at you here, at least the people like Roger, Nigel, ECH, LMNO and Cain, it's because you were perceived as talking like an asshole. Sometimes it's a misunderstanding - in which case everyone is quick to acknowledge this - other times YOU'RE REALLY TALKING LIKE AN ASSHOLE.