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Started by hooplala, November 27, 2013, 04:11:51 PM

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hooplala

I Am a Nihilist, and I'm Ok With That

                    or

How I Learned to Stop Worrying, and Love the Lack of Intrinsic Meaning or Value in Life




"Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."  -Walter Sobchak


My name is Rex Bologna, and I am an existential nihilist.

[crowd: "Hi Rex."]

I first suspected I was a nihilist in my mid-teens, though I probably would have denied it at that time.  I was only just coming to terms with accepting that I didn't think it was likely that gods existed, I didn't need the added burden of grappling with the meaning, or lack thereof, of life.  But, once you toss the idea of an omniscient creator out of the mix, the idea that the universe is devoid of objective meaning pops up as a reasonable option fair quickly. 

Science classes offered interesting possibilities which might answer such a question... procreation, for instance.  It occurred to me that observation of nature seemed to indicate that the continued presence of your DNA in the future was a viable meaning of life for most creatures, but to what end?  Replication for the sake of replication seemed as devoid of meaning as the nihilism which loomed behind it.  And then, to further the angst, as I learned more about how life began on this mudball, the arbitrary randomness of the process filled me with dread.  And so, I did what any teen would do: I avoided the question altogether.

But, eventually, teenage high school science experiments gave way to experiments of a more psychedelic nature.  However, a deeply introspective state, with life's usual filters taken away, is not the best place to hide from questions of an existential nature.  The horrible gaping cold blackness of nothing seemed to surround me.  Life was without meaning, we were the end result of blind mistakes, and when we fucked it all up it would matter to nobody.  I could scream, but my voice would be lost in the void.

These conclusions followed me into the crashed sober state which inevitably follows.  A period of mourning set in, where I missed the innocence of my youthful naivety, when I could believe things happened for a reason, even if I didn't agree with them.  A scornful misanthropy replaced my formerly playful outlook, as so many people around me seemed to parrot empty useless phrases like "everything happens for a reason", or spoke of karma, and cosmic justice.  Those sad deluded fools stared into the inky nothingness with their rose-tinted glasses on, the joke would be on them in the end.

But, I eventually stumbled upon the biggest joke of all, which was a silly religion, or maybe a philosophy, or maybe just a joke... called Discordianism.  This... whatever it was... seemed to confirm my nihilism, but at the same time described it in a manner which could be amusing... dare I say, even fun?  Suddenly the lack of meaning in the universe seemed not only freeing, but hugely hilarious.  And the meaning others found in the universe was even funnier, but now not in a mean-spirited manner, but instead with an awed glee.  To me humanity was still a strange mistake, but also a fantastic mistake.  The argument made by theists about the wind blowing scrap metal and turning it into a roller coaster suddenly made perfect sense to me, but not in the way they likely intended.  Yes, it was a perfect analogy for humanity.  Not because it implied a creator, but because it was completely batshit insane... which we clearly are.

I am Rex Bologna, the Handsome Devil of Discordia, and I believe life has no intrinsic meaning. 

And, I am ok with that.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

LMNO

Interesting angle there, you mad bastard.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to that point, because I believe in the creative ability of humans to generate their own meaning, which puts me in the Absurdist realm.  But you stated your POV quite well.

hooplala

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 27, 2013, 04:18:52 PM
Interesting angle there, you mad bastard.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to that point, because I believe in the creative ability of humans to generate their own meaning, which puts me in the Absurdist realm.  But you stated your POV quite well.

I'm much happier in these last 8ish years, than I ever have been before in my life.  Even when I'm not happy, if that makes any sense.

Of course, as always, YMMV.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

popeluvicasksc

I think it'd be boring if life had intrinsic meaning. I prefer the choose your own adventure model of self defined purpose.
"Explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."- Pinhead

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 27, 2013, 04:18:52 PM
Interesting angle there, you mad bastard.

I'm not sure I'll ever get to that point, because I believe in the creative ability of humans to generate their own meaning, which puts me in the Absurdist realm.  But you stated your POV quite well.

I don't understand the difference. Pretty sure I'd be a nihilist, too, if it wasn't for the fact that most of the nihilists I'm aware of seem a bit butthurt and/or depressed by the revelation. I'm with OP - life has no meaning and that's totally liberating. It also makes us the nearest things to gods we've encountered so far and that helps feed my ego monster.

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hooplala

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 27, 2013, 10:07:35 PMIt also makes us the nearest things to gods we've encountered so far and that helps feed my ego monster.

NOW yer talking! Rah!
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

LMNO

Traditionally, nihilists don't believe in creating their own meaning, because there's no meaning to create.

hooplala

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 27, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
Traditionally, nihilists don't believe in creating their own meaning, because there's no meaning to create.

Hm, my understanding was that the two terms were not mutually exclusive, but I only know about the concepts from my own readings... I never studied them in school, and there is every chance I grossly misunderstand the concepts.  My understanding was that the existential nihilists didn't believe there was any inherent meaning to life, yet we are compelled to find meaning, and that the response of there being no inherent meaning was to realize existence itself is absurd. 

Well, here's me derping all over the page again.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Q. G. Pennyworth

Don't care, still liked it :D

hooplala

"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

A fantastic mistake!

Frankly, the more I learn about science, the more amazed and awed I am by everything there is. I mean, it's almost enough to make me religious, the fantastic complexity of everything.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


LMNO

Rex, it sounds like you're referencing Camus, who spun Absurdism from Nihilism.

I'm being a mind tease, as I can't expand on this right now.

hooplala

Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on November 27, 2013, 11:28:29 PM
A fantastic mistake!

Frankly, the more I learn about science, the more amazed and awed I am by everything there is. I mean, it's almost enough to make me religious, the fantastic complexity of everything.

I thinkt he core of any good religion is that "awe" factor, so we're a good way there already.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

hooplala

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 27, 2013, 11:34:28 PM
Rex, it sounds like you're referencing Camus, who spun Absurdism from Nihilism.

I'm being a mind tease, as I can't expand on this right now.

Camus is absolutely where I gleaned that from.  I've read much more existentialism than I have nihilism, but I was under the impression my grasping of the concept was sound, maybe not.  But then, when I consider my own personal view of existence, I don't think I ascribe it any particular "meaning", so... perhaps the OP stands as is.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Rex Bologna on November 27, 2013, 11:41:41 PM
Quote from: Radagast's Red Velvet Pancake Puppies on November 27, 2013, 11:28:29 PM
A fantastic mistake!

Frankly, the more I learn about science, the more amazed and awed I am by everything there is. I mean, it's almost enough to make me religious, the fantastic complexity of everything.

I thinkt he core of any good religion is that "awe" factor, so we're a good way there already.

Seriously, the idea that I can exist is AMAZING. I mean, everything that goes into making just one cell, or one chromosome... life is the most astounding thing imaginable. You would think it would be improbable, yet it appears to not only be probable, but INEVITABLE that when you get matter together, this happens.

WHAT THE FUCK

ARE YOU SHITTING ME, UNIVERSE?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."