"Tranny"

[hooplala]

People know they are angry, but they don't know what to be angry about.

This ain't about anger, it's about control.

I'm not sure I agree just yet, but I can see where one would formulate that viewpoint.

[Cain]

I think it's because people take an intense (and, in my opinion, almost perverse) pleasure in passing judgement and denouncing each other.

The Soviet Union may have been defeated, but the Soviet mentality - judge, denounce, purge - seems to speak to something dark in the human psyche.  Throw in the relative anonymity and group think the internet creates, and you have the perfect conditions for endless schisms, power plays and ridiculous purity tests.

[LMNO]

It seems like people just want a reason to be offended. Nobody gives a shit about INTENT any more. Substance no longer matters, only image.

Unfortunately, this runs headfirst into the signal vs carrier; or rather, "if you're communicating a message, it's up to you to make sure the message gets across correctly."

"But I meant to say" vs "what people heard".


We've had some pretty long discussions about that, here.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

People know they are angry, but they don't know what to be angry about.

This ain't about anger, it's about control.

I'm not sure I agree just yet, but I can see where one would formulate that viewpoint.

It's a pattern.

Allies are "cookie seekers"
Anyone who can be painted as the opposition are "CISHET man-tear" fountains.
The video posted with the hipster explaining why hating cis/hetero people is okay and even righteous.
This new attempt to control the language of the subculture.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think it's because people take an intense (and, in my opinion, almost perverse) pleasure in passing judgement and denouncing each other.

The Soviet Union may have been defeated, but the Soviet mentality - judge, denounce, purge - seems to speak to something dark in the human psyche.  Throw in the relative anonymity and group think the internet creates, and you have the perfect conditions for endless schisms, power plays and ridiculous purity tests.

Oh, there's DEFINITELY that, as well.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

People know they are angry, but they don't know what to be angry about.

This ain't about anger, it's about control.

I'm not sure I agree just yet, but I can see where one would formulate that viewpoint.

I'm pretty sure he's spot-on.

The reason? The outrage isn't centered around what other people are calling group A. The outrage is about what group B is calling themselves. Group A is trying to tell group B that they don't have a right to the word they use to identify themselves.

Hence, it's about control.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think it's because people take an intense (and, in my opinion, almost perverse) pleasure in passing judgement and denouncing each other.

The Soviet Union may have been defeated, but the Soviet mentality - judge, denounce, purge - seems to speak to something dark in the human psyche.  Throw in the relative anonymity and group think the internet creates, and you have the perfect conditions for endless schisms, power plays and ridiculous purity tests.

Bingo.

Throw in a whole lot of privilege and white guilt, and a state of being that is as easy to achieve as simply rejecting binary gender, and you get a shit ton of white college students with a cause, looking for people to take it out on.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Add to the pattern "division of the subculture along mutually antagonistic lines".

Garbo and her pals have stated that biologically-female trans people can use the term.  Biologically-male trans people cannot.

[LMNO]

Wha?

[popeluvicasksc]

It seems like people just want a reason to be offended. Nobody gives a shit about INTENT any more. Substance no longer matters, only image.

Unfortunately, this runs headfirst into the signal vs carrier; or rather, "if you're communicating a message, it's up to you to make sure the message gets across correctly."

"But I meant to say" vs "what people heard".


We've had some pretty long discussions about that, here.

This is true, however there are many out there who won't even see a message. All they'll see are words that they find ugly and so regardless of how concise or well thought out the message is, it will be lost on them. Of course in a way that serves as a filtration process to weed out controlling, reactionary douche bags.

[hooplala]

People know they are angry, but they don't know what to be angry about.

This ain't about anger, it's about control.

I'm not sure I agree just yet, but I can see where one would formulate that viewpoint.

I'm pretty sure he's spot-on.

The reason? The outrage isn't centered around what other people are calling group A. The outrage is about what group B is calling themselves. Group A is trying to tell group B that they don't have a right to the word they use to identify themselves.

Hence, it's about control.

You both make excellent points. I guess it goes back to Roger's "Traitor" post.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Wha?

Yep.  She and her pals have divvied up the rights and responsibilities of everyone, everywhere, and those DAMN HERETICS JUST WON'T LISTEN.  They run around all UNREGULATED at the GAY BAR, while Garbo and her friends are trying to ORGANIZE STUFF to FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY with a competing structure that's shaping up to be JUST AS REPRESSIVE.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is true, however there are many out there who won't even see a message.

We must hunt Those People down and make a fucking example of them.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

This is the conversation I blocked Garbo over.  I had replied first, asking about which slurs were okay and by whom, and then I get this bullshit PM about how my post could have gotten her thrown out of her living arrangements or something, so she erased it.  Because it was so totally unlike the rest of the thread.



Fuck that shit.  This is just the latest crusade to tell people what they can and cannot do. 

ALSO, Garbo believes that female trans folks can use "tranny", but male trans folks cannot.  For reasons that are apparently obvious.

Where the fuck is she living, Jonestown?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

This is the conversation I blocked Garbo over.  I had replied first, asking about which slurs were okay and by whom, and then I get this bullshit PM about how my post could have gotten her thrown out of her living arrangements or something, so she erased it.  Because it was so totally unlike the rest of the thread.



Fuck that shit.  This is just the latest crusade to tell people what they can and cannot do. 

ALSO, Garbo believes that female trans folks can use "tranny", but male trans folks cannot.  For reasons that are apparently obvious.

Where the fuck is she living, Jonestown?

Worse. California.