Nelson Mandela Died.

[Cramulus]

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[carnival]

He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..

People are stupid.

[Suu]

He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..

People are stupid.

Apartheid was better?

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..

People are stupid.

Apartheid was better?

Apparently. I feel educated, don't you?

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians. And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..

People are stupid.

Apartheid was better?

Apparently. I feel educated, don't you?

[carnival]

Apartheid was better?

The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.

[Salty]

Apartheid was better?

The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.

Right, right, basic human rights < safety.

[Salty]

Just think about what would happen if US prisons didn't just house as many black people as they can shove in.

Crate and Barrel will be overrun by hooligans,  is what.

[Cain]

He was a terrorist and was directly responsible for the deaths of innocent civilians.

Only half the story.  The M plan devised by Mandela was meant to be a campaign of attacking government buildings alongside a rural guerrilla warfare campaign, and was directly designed not to kill civilians.  Some deaths did occur. of course, once violence is chosen, death is always going to happen intentionally or not.

And are we gonna pretend that South Africa is actually a better place to live now since the end of Apartheid? Lmfao..

People are stupid.

Well, given the policy of apartheid and the brutal oppression that it engendered led directly to the formation of the military ams of the ANC and PAC, which in turn caused even greater state oppression, spiralling violence, terrorism and torture, external military campaigns, internal purges and the targeting of those deemed "insufficiently pure" to the cause on both sides...yeah.

Sure South Africa's still a shithole, but when you have largely unresolved racial tensions and a huge amount of wealth in the hands of a very few people, that's what happens.

But I'm sure you'll be right along to prove people are stupid by saying crime in South Africa now is worse than the 1980s state of emergencies and the mass killings that were associated with them.

[LMNO]

Apartheid was better?

The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.

Because black people are not human, and so life in the townships don't count.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The quality of life of South Africa was better under apartheid, yes.

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[carnival]

You wish.

And as for the people quoting me, you are free to move to South Africa and enjoy their human rights. 

[Salty]

A wise spag once said:

Glibness is not the same as cleverness,

[Salty]

Put another way:

Is that seriously all you've got? That's point and counterpoint, is it?

Look, go away. You haven't got anything to add to this discussion aside from your eventual flip out and butthurt.