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'kay, so, this singularity thing...

Started by P3nT4gR4m, January 07, 2014, 09:12:43 PM

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I think the most important thing about the "singularity" is what Roger also mentioned: It's a period of complete unpredictability.

As in, nothing you think might happen will happen.  Or it will.  If you're looking for a working definition of chaos, it's that.

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 10, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
I think the most important thing about the "singularity" is what Roger also mentioned: It's a period of complete unpredictability.

As in, nothing you think might happen will happen.  Or it will.  If you're looking for a working definition of chaos, it's that.

This is a big part of the reason I'm so fucking excited. This is complete fucking chaos on a scale we can only dream of.

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Quote from: THE PHYTOPHTHORATIC HOLDER OF THE ADVANCED DEGREE on January 10, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
So i just thought of something. What about two universes that only differ in one regard. Say some planet in the andromeda galaxy never formed but the two earths and therefore the two crams are identical in every way. Even on a quantum level. Is that guy not you? What about a cram from a universe where everything is the same except its made of antimatter and we have an anticram. Anticram has a hard time thinking of cram as cram. To him our cram is the anticram. Either way a high five is inadvisable. Also i got to invent a guy known as the anticram.


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it is now my mission to give anticram an erotic back massage which cancels us both out, then I'll lay in bed and smoke a cigarette.

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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 10, 2014, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 10, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
I think the most important thing about the "singularity" is what Roger also mentioned: It's a period of complete unpredictability.

As in, nothing you think might happen will happen.  Or it will.  If you're looking for a working definition of chaos, it's that.

This is a big part of the reason I'm so fucking excited. This is complete fucking chaos on a scale we can only dream of.

...It's pretty cool to think of, yeah...

...Hmm...You could upload multiple copies of yourself.
In fact I presume people would regularly upload copies of themselves.
If you then died, say, accidentally and messily, which copy is you...?
Presumably they all are you.
Is it possible to then integrate those copies?
Of course the stored copies would, unlike yourself, have PRECISE memories of the past, so if you integrated them all, it would not be *exactly* you as at the moment of your last upload...it would be a you remembered very differently, and far more accurately than human memory usually manages.

If you destroy an uploaded backup of yourself, is it suicide?
What if you edit yourself?

I presume that "downloading" you into another body could happen too...

Personally, I just wanted an *improved* body and mind, since I'm running around in the human-body equivalent of a Yugo.
It's not the mere act of extending life over time that intrigues me, more the quality of the existence possible.
I would rather have a physically and mentally improved version of me over an eternal version of me.

I know that "I " is an illusion, anyway. And I know every game gets old.

Will leave this ticking over in head. Bedtime now...


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free will proof scenario:
create 2 exact copies of a conscious human mind
put them in 2 exactly similar and separate virtual environments
see if they always choose to do the exact same thing when given the same stimuli
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related - trailer for a movie called Transcendence, coming out later this year 

Plot: When a dying scientist uploads his consciousness into a powerful computer granting him unlimited power, his wife and best friend must race to turn off the machine before he becomes unstoppable.
Stars: Johnny Depp, Rebecca Hall, Kate Mara, Morgan Freeman, Paul Bettany

sounds like a tech horror movie which touches on the singularity and digital immortality

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No, more of a star vehicle to see if Depp/Freeman will fly in a rebooted version of the Matrix when they decide to pillage that IP.
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If someone uploads me, I promise not to turn into a megalomaniacal asshole and take over the world.

...I can't promise I won't cause interesting info from world governments to embarrassingly become public, tho. 
I mean, I'm going to need something to keep me occupied.
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I don't see why people are concerned about the duplicate issue. The only viable-looking method of brain uploading I've read about involves waiting for the subject to die, preserving the brain, plastinating it, cutting it into very thin, single-cell-layer slices, scanning each slice individually, and compiling the information from each slice into a complete working model. There wouldn't be an original. Death would be a necessary part of the process.
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It's sort of interesting that the science fiction genre is fueled by fear of science and technology.
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Quote from: Hoopla on January 15, 2014, 02:23:27 PM
It's sort of interesting that the science fiction genre is fueled by fear of science and technology.

We're evolved to pay more attention to fears than hopes. Fear sells.
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Quote from: Hoopla on January 15, 2014, 02:23:27 PM
It's sort of interesting that the science fiction genre is fueled by fear of science and technology.

That's why I think Asimov was one of the best. Most of his stories are explicitly attacking the Frankenstein Complex, the myth that our creations will eventually destroy us.

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Quote from: hylierandom, A.D.D. on January 15, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on January 15, 2014, 02:23:27 PM
It's sort of interesting that the science fiction genre is fueled by fear of science and technology.

We're evolved to pay more attention to fears than hopes. Fear sells.
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