Net Neutrality shut down

[tyrannosaurus vex]

"Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options," the court writes. "They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded."

"To be sure, some difficulty switching broadband providers is certainly a factor that might contribute to a firm's having market power, but that itself is not market power," the court asserts. "There are many industries in which switching between competitors is not instantly achieved, but those industries may still be heavily disciplined by competitive forces because consumers will switch unless there are real barriers."

Citing Google fiber?  WTF?

The court has no fucking idea about technology.

It's time for Kevin Mitnick to whistle into a telephone.

This is the thing about the whole net neutrality deal. It's like it based around this idea that it's somehow possible for ISP's to prevent access to specific websites via their networks. Now a bunch of clueless dinosaurs like Govt Inc and the Church of Copyright I can understand but there's a counter movement of people who ought to know better, actively campaigning against this ridiculous fiction.

I'm sick of hearing about it. "OMG - your government want to block your access to torrent sites!" Good for them, I want an unlimited supply of solid gold Lamborghini's, so it looks like me and the gestapo are in the same boat. Actually, come to think about it a solid gold Lambo isn't outside the realms of possibility. How to shift the focus of Net neutrality campaigners to something plausible? 

Actually and ISP can block or limit your access to sites and services it has decided to restrict access to. When you connect to the "Internet," you're really connecting to a private network owned by your service provider. The only reason you're allowed to go anywhere online is because your ISP allows your device a network route through its network and out one of its exit nodes. They have complete control over the information your device receives while it is connected to their network, including the routing information to services and sites outside of their network. There are numerous ways they can poison that information to prevent you accessing said services or sites, or they can just limit the bandwidth your connection is allowed to use. This is the entire point of the Network Neutrality debate: ISPs claim that they have the right (and the duty, in some cases) to do exactly that - because you're not on the public Internet anyway, you're on their private network, which they own and should be allowed to manage in whatever way they deem best, including limiting your access to things inside and outside of that private network.

[P3nT4gR4m]

"Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options," the court writes. "They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded."

"To be sure, some difficulty switching broadband providers is certainly a factor that might contribute to a firm's having market power, but that itself is not market power," the court asserts. "There are many industries in which switching between competitors is not instantly achieved, but those industries may still be heavily disciplined by competitive forces because consumers will switch unless there are real barriers."

Citing Google fiber?  WTF?

The court has no fucking idea about technology.

It's time for Kevin Mitnick to whistle into a telephone.

This is the thing about the whole net neutrality deal. It's like it based around this idea that it's somehow possible for ISP's to prevent access to specific websites via their networks. Now a bunch of clueless dinosaurs like Govt Inc and the Church of Copyright I can understand but there's a counter movement of people who ought to know better, actively campaigning against this ridiculous fiction.

I'm sick of hearing about it. "OMG - your government want to block your access to torrent sites!" Good for them, I want an unlimited supply of solid gold Lamborghini's, so it looks like me and the gestapo are in the same boat. Actually, come to think about it a solid gold Lambo isn't outside the realms of possibility. How to shift the focus of Net neutrality campaigners to something plausible? 

Actually and ISP can block or limit your access to sites and services it has decided to restrict access to. When you connect to the "Internet," you're really connecting to a private network owned by your service provider. The only reason you're allowed to go anywhere online is because your ISP allows your device a network route through its network and out one of its exit nodes. They have complete control over the information your device receives while it is connected to their network, including the routing information to services and sites outside of their network. There are numerous ways they can poison that information to prevent you accessing said services or sites, or they can just limit the bandwidth your connection is allowed to use. This is the entire point of the Network Neutrality debate: ISPs claim that they have the right (and the duty, in some cases) to do exactly that - because you're not on the public Internet anyway, you're on their private network, which they own and should be allowed to manage in whatever way they deem best, including limiting your access to things inside and outside of that private network.

Yeah, my ISP did this with a few sites I use. So I went through a proxy. Sometimes they play whack a mole with the proxy's. It doesn't matter. Their ability to dns or ipblock sites is not in question. Their ability to block access to the information is and that kinda renders the ban hammer useless. The ones who campaign to have the laws arsed around with don't understand the nature of information in the context of the internet. It's not in a place. You can't cordon off an area. Information is copied, mirrored, routed, rerouted, backed up, hidden, revealed, and, ultimately, downloaded.

[LMNO]

I'm more concerned about "throttling".  Sure, it will let you reach the information you're looking for, but you'll only be able to do it at 14.4 bauds.  And when something is that slow, when an alternative is streaming at T3 speeds, most people are going to go with the faster option.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Granted, that's a concern but attempts at implementation fall prey to many of the same workarounds and many others to boot. Corporations want to take over teh internet, same as they want to take over anything. Their nature is parasitic. All the things must be squeezed to get the money out. Public interest is always the opposite - get as much of the things as you can, so the money doesn't get squeezed out of you. Put the two together in any context and all the systems get bent, broken and subverted to suit public interest.

[Reginald Ret]

Many people won't bother with proxy's and workarounds though, and the corporations aren't interested in blocking data for the fringe, they are interested in controlling the total flow.
A dedicated and skilled person will always be able to get to anything, but most people won't once they start blocking sites.
I myself stopped using Piratebay for a few months before i stumbled across a workaround.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Many people won't bother with proxy's and workarounds though, and the corporations aren't interested in blocking data for the fringe, they are interested in controlling the total flow.
A dedicated and skilled person will always be able to get to anything, but most people won't once they start blocking sites.
I myself stopped using Piratebay for a few months before i stumbled across a workaround.

Most people wouldn't be interested in breaking laws or reading unsanctioned information, anyway. Most people are crap. Most people are the reason we still have governments in the first place. So fuck most people. They'll get the shaft like they usually do and they'll probably ask for more. Good luck to them. What is encouraging to me is the number of people I've met who now know what a proxy is. Anyone motivated in the slightest can quite easily bypass any blocks or restrictions put in place. The reason being - simple instructions are available online.

The shadies are desperately clamouring to keep a lid on things but they really don't have a chance in hell. It's hilarious and, despite their best cloak n dagger arsing around, totally transparent to watch

[Cain]

Here's the future of the internet in America:

[LMNO]

ouch.