Anybody look at Ukraine lately?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My friends, your psychological insight is, shall we say, not up to Hannibal Lecter standards. The high school level sexual jabs are particularly amusing; like I said, I lived in Moscow for a year, at the tail end of the Yeltsin years. Repressed Judeo-Christian progressive Amerikans who preach about freedom have no idea what a sexually free society actually looks like (here's a hint: dyke kike Marxist feminists are nowhere in evidence, thanks be to Yahweh). I pity Westerners who have never experienced Russia, land of the free, the straight, and the sexy!

I did. It was filled with a depressing lack of perspective.
Pro-tip: Don't bother.

This is not my first BBQ, Regret. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Is it just me or has Ukraink always been this fucked up? At some point in the distant past they even had an Era called simply "The Ruin" lolz. THEN they had World War Uno and intense nationalist revolution. Following total fail some Ukrainks started shit in Poland like a bunch of dicks and immediately following the internal Russian civil war devastated the region even harder (which was not even physically possible). 10 Million savage Ukranks died from lack of Vespene Gas which unfortunately left millions more to bitch and complain for years to come.

Cue World War Dos' and again, yet again Ukraink nationalism rears it's fugly head to make problems. This seems to be just the current ripple in a long line of toilet-bowl surface undulations which is the Ukrank lifestyle.

Russia in general, and all of Eastern Europe came out of the bronze ages fucked up, and then stayed that way.

Also, you can never have enough Vespene gas.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My friends, your psychological insight is, shall we say, not up to Hannibal Lecter standards. The high school level sexual jabs are particularly amusing; like I said, I lived in Moscow for a year, at the tail end of the Yeltsin years. Repressed Judeo-Christian progressive Amerikans who preach about freedom have no idea what a sexually free society actually looks like (here's a hint: dyke kike Marxist feminists are nowhere in evidence, thanks be to Yahweh). I pity Westerners who have never experienced Russia, land of the free, the straight, and the sexy!

[Pergamos]

I hope my avatar makes it clear to the fascist that I know just how fabulous Russia can be.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I hope my avatar makes it clear to the fascist that I know just how fabulous Russia can be.

I doubt he gets it.

[Reginald Ret]

My friends, your psychological insight is, shall we say, not up to Hannibal Lecter standards. The high school level sexual jabs are particularly amusing; like I said, I lived in Moscow for a year, at the tail end of the Yeltsin years. Repressed Judeo-Christian progressive Amerikans who preach about freedom have no idea what a sexually free society actually looks like (here's a hint: dyke kike Marxist feminists are nowhere in evidence, thanks be to Yahweh). I pity Westerners who have never experienced Russia, land of the free, the straight, and the sexy!

I did. It was filled with a depressing lack of perspective.
Pro-tip: Don't bother.

This is not my first BBQ, Regret.

You'd think I would learn from you.
Or from experience.
Or common sense.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My friends, your psychological insight is, shall we say, not up to Hannibal Lecter standards. The high school level sexual jabs are particularly amusing; like I said, I lived in Moscow for a year, at the tail end of the Yeltsin years. Repressed Judeo-Christian progressive Amerikans who preach about freedom have no idea what a sexually free society actually looks like (here's a hint: dyke kike Marxist feminists are nowhere in evidence, thanks be to Yahweh). I pity Westerners who have never experienced Russia, land of the free, the straight, and the sexy!

I did. It was filled with a depressing lack of perspective.
Pro-tip: Don't bother.

This is not my first BBQ, Regret.

You'd think I would learn from you.
Or from experience.
Or common sense.

I don't even learn from me.  I'm barely a biped, fer Chrissakes.  I just fucking hate Nazis.

[Cain]

Just worth noting, one of the blog writers BN endorsed just wrote this:

Guys, please try to make an effort and understand the following: Nazis and other racist trolls are not welcome here.  Please do not mistake my letting you post as a sign of approval or interest for the worthless crap you post here.  Simply put again: Nazis, Fascists and racists are not welcome here: I loathe Hitler for my own reasons: I consider him a nasty, arrogant, ignorant, megalomaniac, pagan racist SOB. I personally have known MANY people who suffered horrors at the hands of the Nazis, and I have absolutely *zero* sympathy for him or his followers. To me, Hitler is the ultimate expression of the West arrogance, imperialism and brutality. And if you think I speak of ignorance or under influence of the corporate media, you are quite mistaken. I have read Mein Kampf, I have read Goebbels, Streicher and Evola. I personally met plenty of Nazis, both in Argentina and elsewhere. And I have read most of the best known revisionists and negationists. I personally met some and had long talks with them.  I even had one bona fide real Nazi friend (who, alas, passed away now).  I read Mussolini too, by the way. I know National-Socialism well enough to know how stupid and evil it is.

LAWL.  I guess BN wont be endorsing him again in the future.

[Cain]

As an aside, the Saker has another article up, on the composition of the new cabinet in Kiev, and in particular where the extreme rightwingers are.

Check out where he put his neo-Facists:

Vice Prime Minister Alexandr Sych (Freedom Party)
Minister of Defense Igor Teniukh  (Freedom Party)
Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov (officially member of the Fatherland Party but in reality an agent for the Right Sector)
Head of the National Security and Defense Council Andrei Paribii (Social-National Party of Ukraine)
Deputy Head of the National Security and Defense Council Dmitri Iarosh (Right Sector)

Amazing no?  The neo-Fascists are occupying all the positions of power, what is often referred to as "power structures".  Instead of putting them where they could do the least amount of harm, Iatseniuk put them right where they are the most dangerous.

The Freedom Party is, of course, Svoboda, whom we've discussed before.  I suppose this offsets the chance of a civil war breaking out in the western Ukrainian ranks...but at what cost?  Putting pretty much the entire hard power structure of the Ukranian state in the hand of militant right-wingers and anti-Semites.

Sometimes, you have to fight.  To delay war is to cede advantages to the enemy.  But "Yats" clearly doesn't have the stomach for this one.

[Cain]

[Telarus]

Damn, that's some effective memetics.

[Cain]

Very.  Russian propaganda is putting this whole thing in a WWII (Stalin-approved version) perspective.  You know, the version where Russia didn't decide to dick over the rest of Europe by signing a pact with the Devil and then got shafted when they least expected it, building on a history of eliminating socialist rivals and capitalists before attacking fascists, but the one where the Glorious Motherland was always in the vanguard of the fight against the Nazi Menace, took the greatest casualties and paid the highest price to defeat Hitler, a stooge created and supported by the villainous west to bring ruin to the Soviet experiment.

Like all good propaganda, there's elements of truth in there, but it's also unadulterated bullshit in large amounts.

Anyway, Russia is strongly hinting that the exact same scenario is happening again.  Sovobda play the role of the Nazi Party, which is being sponsored by the evil west to undermine Russia by sponsoring an insurgency against a Russian ally and threatening Russian naval bases, as part of a long-term gameplan by western powers to dismember Russia.  The new Ukrainian government is controlled by Nazis and Western stooges, and once again it is up to Russia to save its people and the civilised world from this menace.

Again, elements of truth mixed in with unadulterated bullshit.

[Cain]

All we need is for Russian state channels to start airing Alexander Nevsky and we'll have the full set.

[Pergamos]

Very.  Russian propaganda is putting this whole thing in a WWII (Stalin-approved version) perspective.  You know, the version where Russia didn't decide to dick over the rest of Europe by signing a pact with the Devil and then got shafted when they least expected it, building on a history of eliminating socialist rivals and capitalists before attacking fascists, but the one where the Glorious Motherland was always in the vanguard of the fight against the Nazi Menace, took the greatest casualties and paid the highest price to defeat Hitler, a stooge created and supported by the villainous west to bring ruin to the Soviet experiment.

Like all good propaganda, there's elements of truth in there, but it's also unadulterated bullshit in large amounts.

Anyway, Russia is strongly hinting that the exact same scenario is happening again.  Sovobda play the role of the Nazi Party, which is being sponsored by the evil west to undermine Russia by sponsoring an insurgency against a Russian ally and threatening Russian naval bases, as part of a long-term gameplan by western powers to dismember Russia.  The new Ukrainian government is controlled by Nazis and Western stooges, and once again it is up to Russia to save its people and the civilised world from this menace.

Again, elements of truth mixed in with unadulterated bullshit.

This after Russia used the same rationale to annex Crimea that the Nazis used to annex the Sudetenland...

[Cain]

Sure.  A strong sense of irony is not exactly a key Russian cultural trait.

But on the other hand, we have spent 20 years trying to destroy Russia as a cohesive political player, through the application of shock economics, encouraging the rise of the oligarchs, support for Chechen rebels, encroaching on Russia's former sphere of influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia and generally treating them like morons whenever they complained about this ("conspiratorial Soviet mindset" etc).

In Putin's position, would you listen to anything western diplomats and leaders had to say?  Or would you work to protect your core military and strategic assets, in the face of a threat with overwhelming conventional military superiority, greater economic resources, control of most major international institutions and extensive propaganda networks?

That's what is so amusing about the "punish Russia/invade Crimea" crowd.  They don't realize Putin and his strategic advisors already believe Russia is threatened, that the West is an existential risk for the Russian state, and this is how they are responding.  Instead, they want to dial up the idiocy to 11 and threaten to embroil us all in a really serious war.

As an aside, check out Aleksandr Dugin.  Neo-Eurasianism, National Bolshevism and the Nouvelle Droite all have strong overlaps with fascism.