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Started by Pergamos, March 08, 2014, 08:45:32 PM

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Pergamos

No not that kind.  One of the scarier problems that we are facing is the spread of antibiotic resistant bacteria.  Tuberculosis and other deadly diseases are developing increasing levels of antibiotic resistance.  Evidence suggests that this resistance has existed, as a small portion of bacteria populations, for hundreds of years but it is only becoming widespread due to widespread use of antibiotics.  Why are antibiotics allowed to be used when there is no evidence of bacterial infection?  Why are they allowed to be used in factory farming?  Every use of antibiotics makes it that much more likely that they will not work the next time they are used.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

The use in factory farming is particularly bad, since they are present constantly in low dose, which is essentially a breeding program for resistant bacteria.
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Pergamos

I guess my question is, why aren't they more tightly controlled?  You don't see opiates being prescribed every time anyone is in pain,  Unless it is severe they prescribe aceteminophen or NSAID's instead. 

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I used to live next to some hillbillies who raised fighting chickens. They would shoot their roosters up with 3-4 times the maximum recommended dosage of whatever antibiotic they were using.

I referred to them as "Plague Breeders".
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Pergamos on March 08, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
I guess my question is, why aren't they more tightly controlled?  You don't see opiates being prescribed every time anyone is in pain,  Unless it is severe they prescribe aceteminophen or NSAID's instead.

Because the huge corporations that control the factory farms have a lot of money, and thus a lot of control over regulations.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2014, 09:55:51 PM
Quote from: Pergamos on March 08, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
I guess my question is, why aren't they more tightly controlled?  You don't see opiates being prescribed every time anyone is in pain,  Unless it is severe they prescribe aceteminophen or NSAID's instead.

Because the huge corporations that control the factory farms have a lot of money, and thus a lot of control over regulations.

Because the FDA is as worried about public health and safety as Traffick police are about keeping people safe?
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Quote from: Pergamos on March 08, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
I guess my question is, why aren't they more tightly controlled?  You don't see opiates being prescribed every time anyone is in pain,  Unless it is severe they prescribe aceteminophen or NSAID's instead.

Because legislation is reactionary, we'll need a plague to get widespread changes implemented across livestock use and a change of mindset in doctors with their magic bullet.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Younger doctors are pretty reluctant to prescribe antibiotics, because they're being taught new-paradigm thinking about them in med school. I didn't even get sent home with "prophylactic" antibiotics after abdominal surgery.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Faust

That's good to hear, I'm glad the attitude is changing. Ireland's medical system is a shattered antiquated relic and thusly has not matured beyond the 1980's.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Faust on March 08, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
That's good to hear, I'm glad the attitude is changing. Ireland's medical system is a shattered antiquated relic and thusly has not matured beyond the 1980's.

One of my favorite quotes right now is Max Planck, "Science advances one funeral at a time". I think that applies equally to medicine.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Johnny

Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2014, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 08, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
That's good to hear, I'm glad the attitude is changing. Ireland's medical system is a shattered antiquated relic and thusly has not matured beyond the 1980's.

One of my favorite quotes right now is Max Planck, "Science advances one funeral at a time". I think that applies equally to medicine.

How about "Science advances one bleeding wrist media report at a time."?
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Johnny on March 09, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2014, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 08, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
That's good to hear, I'm glad the attitude is changing. Ireland's medical system is a shattered antiquated relic and thusly has not matured beyond the 1980's.

One of my favorite quotes right now is Max Planck, "Science advances one funeral at a time". I think that applies equally to medicine.

How about "Science advances one bleeding wrist media report at a time."?

I don't think Max Planck ever said that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: Tom on March 09, 2014, 12:47:47 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on March 09, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on March 08, 2014, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 08, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
That's good to hear, I'm glad the attitude is changing. Ireland's medical system is a shattered antiquated relic and thusly has not matured beyond the 1980's.

One of my favorite quotes right now is Max Planck, "Science advances one funeral at a time". I think that applies equally to medicine.

How about "Science advances one bleeding wrist media report at a time."?

I don't think Max Planck ever said that.

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This has been one of my pet causes for awhile now. I've turned into that dickhead who will, upon being invited into someone's home and told to make themselves welcome, come back from the bathroom and lecture my hosts about how they're dooming us all to some horrible bacterial apocalypse because of the ridiculous anti-bacterial hand soap in the bathroom.

And the worst part is, when you explain it, most people don't care because marketing and buzzwords and BACTERIA BAD! ANTIBACTERIAL GOOD!
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Quote from: Jet City Hustle on March 09, 2014, 07:10:21 AM
This has been one of my pet causes for awhile now. I've turned into that dickhead who will, upon being invited into someone's home and told to make themselves welcome, come back from the bathroom and lecture my hosts about how they're dooming us all to some horrible bacterial apocalypse because of the ridiculous anti-bacterial hand soap in the bathroom.

And the worst part is, when you explain it, most people don't care because marketing and buzzwords and BACTERIA BAD! ANTIBACTERIAL GOOD!

I'm banking on some antibiotic resistant superbug plague wiping out all the anti-bacteria/antibiotic freaks and leaving only the ones with a functional immune system, thereby making the world significantly less stupid, on aggregate, overnight :evil:

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