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Started by Bruno, March 27, 2014, 06:46:03 PM

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Bruno

https://ssl.capwiz.com/aclu/issues/alert/?alertid=63110936&type=ST

QuoteTennessee: Stop the So-Called "Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act"

While purporting to prevent discrimination against students expressing religious viewpoints, SB 1793/HB 1547 crosses the line from protecting religious freedom into creating systematic imposition of some students' personal religious viewpoints on other students.

Students' right to express and practice their own religious faith in the public schools is already well-protected by the U.S. Constitution and existing law, so the portions of this bill allowing students to start religious clubs and to voluntarily pray and express religious viewpoints, are unnecessary.

But this bill also encourages religious coercion, requiring local school boards to establish a system for selecting student speakers and allow those students to express their beliefs about religion in a variety of inappropriate settings, from the classroom to school-day assemblies and school events. Should this pass, students with a range of religious beliefs, as well as non-believers, would likely routinely be required to listen to religious messages or participate in religious exercises that conflict with their own beliefs.

Tell your Tennessee legislators that public schools are not Sunday schools.

and the text of the form letter the ACLU has written up for people to send to Governor Hasslam:

QuoteWhile this bill is called the "Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act," it would actually encourage discrimination against public school students who hold a variety of beliefs about religion.

Much of this bill is unnecessary: Students' right to express and practice their religious faith in the public schools is already well-protected by the U.S. Constitution and existing laws. Tennessee public school students cannot be denied, among other things, the right to pray individually or in groups, or to express their religious views as long as they are not disruptive, and to organize religious clubs to the extent that other non-curricular clubs are allowed.

But this bill also encourages religious coercion, requiring local school boards to establish a system for selecting student speakers and allow those students to express their beliefs about religion in a variety of inappropriate settings, from the classroom to school-day assemblies and school events. 

Should this pass, students with a range of religious beliefs, as well as non-believers, would likely routinely be required to listen to religious messages or participate in religious exercises that conflict with their own beliefs. Conversely, if a student of a minority religious faith (e.g., a Buddhist, a Wiccan, etc.) or a non-believer were to obtain a "position of honor," as defined under this bill, that student would be permitted to subject all classmates to prayer and proselytizing specific to his or her faith tradition in connection with school events. In both cases, parents would have no recourse to ensure that their children were not coerced into such religious exercise.

This bill will only cause confusion for school districts that want to comply with the U.S. Constitution and existing federal laws, as well as respect the religious beliefs of all of their students.

I can't wait to see how this works for cities with a significant Muslim population, such as Murfreesboro, and Nashville. I'm guessing it will make it even harder for Muslim students to obtain these so-called "positions of honor".
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Cramulus

When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

I would have LOVED an opportunity to give speeches about my religious beliefs. I would have LOVED to form a Discordian prayer group.

As you said--these systems are so ripe for abuse. Just wait until kids are giving speeches about the Koran. Then watch these fundamental christian leaders defend it.


Wait a minute, this must have happened already, no? Somebody tell me that there is a youtube video where some preacher is telling the school board there is too much religious freedom.


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cramulus on March 27, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

Except that you and I know it doesn't actually work that way.
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P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2014, 01:31:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 27, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

Except that you and I know it doesn't actually work that way.

When a religious person asks for "freedom of religion" what they actually want is a theocracy  :argh!:

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LMNO

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2014, 01:31:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 27, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

Except that you and I know it doesn't actually work that way.

Reality is funny that way.  Though It would be pretty amazing if some kid had the balls to pray to Mecca during school hours.

P3nT4gR4m

There's an interesting (read - imaginary) distinction that religions, especially the large corporate outfits, like to make between "proper" religions and cults. A cult being a mainstream religion with significantly decreased market share.

If the secular establishment can make a concerted effort to erode the validity of this distinction, the outcome should be to afford an equal level of legitimacy to any form of delusion, regardless of how many fucking likes they have on facebook. :argh!:

Anything less is not freedom of religion.

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Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

hooplala

It's tough when people are still making fucking movies about shit like Noah's ark.
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

P3nT4gR4m

Please tell me you're talking about Evan Almighty?

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walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

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LMNO

Nope.  They guy who did Requiem For A Dream directed Noah.  With Russel Crowe, no less.

P3nT4gR4m

I knew I was going to regret asking that :argh!:

Somehow the entire validity of this entertainment project hinges on the disclaimer at the start of the movie. If it says "Based on a true story" I'm going to physically kill a motherfucker. To death  :evilmad:

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High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

hooplala

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 28, 2014, 02:18:37 PM
I knew I was going to regret asking that :argh!:

Somehow the entire validity of this entertainment project hinges on the disclaimer at the start of the movie. If it says "Based on a true story" I'm going to physically kill a motherfucker. To death  :evilmad:

Can I pick the motherfucker?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Cramulus

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2014, 01:31:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 27, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

Except that you and I know it doesn't actually work that way.

true. I went searching for any drama about this topic, and check out what I found - chase already in progress


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/09/satanists-seek-spot-next-to-ten-commandments-monument-on-steps-oklahoma/

Quote"The monument has been designed to reflect the views of Satanists in Oklahoma City and beyond," temple spokesman Lucien Greaves said in a statement. "The statue will also have a functional purpose as a chair where people of all ages may sit on the lap of Satan for inspiration and contemplation."

The Satanic Temple maintains that the Oklahoma Legislature's decision to authorize a privately funded Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol opened the door for its statue. The Ten Commandments monument was placed on the north steps of the building in 2012, and the Oklahoma chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has sued to have it removed.

Similar requests for monuments have been made by a Hindu leader in Nevada, an animal rights group and the satirical Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

In response, the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission recently placed a moratorium on considering any new requests.



Quote"I think you've got to remember where you are. This is Oklahoma, the middle of the heartland," said Rep. Don Armes, R-Faxon. "I think we need to be tolerant of people who think different than us, but this is Oklahoma, and that's not going to fly here."

:lulz: :lulz:

hooplala

"We want freedom of religion... in other words, freedom from having to think about your religion."
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

trippinprincezz13

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2014, 02:08:53 PM
Nope.  They guy who did Requiem For A Dream directed Noah.  With Russel Crowe, no less.

Saw ad posted while waiting for subway last night. And all it brought to mind is



"Me an' Tugger the Ark are going to fight rescue animals from this flood 'ere. Hey! That giraffe looks he wants to fight!"
There's no sun shine coming through her ass, if you are sure of your penis.

Paranoia is a disease unto itself, and may I add, the person standing next to you, may not be who they appear to be, so take precaution.

If there is no order in your sexual life it may be difficult to stay with a whole skin.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on March 28, 2014, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 28, 2014, 01:31:11 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on March 27, 2014, 07:08:07 PM
When I was in high school the religion-in-schools debate du jour was about whether or not its legal to hang the 10 commandments on the wall. I was in favor of it. Because as soon as that's legal and protected by law, they have to protect the Pentabarf and the Satanic Commandments.

Except that you and I know it doesn't actually work that way.

Reality is funny that way.  Though It would be pretty amazing if some kid had the balls to pray to Mecca during school hours.

It's fairly common, here.  We have a large African immigrant population, most of whom are Muslims.  The school system provides for that in a manner that isn't disruptive.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.