I Am Free

[POFP]

Interesting that you thought it cool to put words in my mouth, though.

[Pæs]

WAAAAAAAAH.

Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?

[POFP]

WAAAAAAAAH.

Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?

Not sure I follow.

The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case, I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.

[Pæs]

WAAAAAAAAH.

Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?

Not sure I follow.

The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case, I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.

Nobody is blowing up at you. I'm questioning on what grounds you object to what you interpreted as my deliberately misinterpreting you.

Nothing has any meaning dude, I don't see why your posts should be any different.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

WAAAAAAAAH.

Is that observation related to the morality of thinking to speak for you? The social acceptability of the act?

Not sure I follow.

The notion of ignoring the deliberate semantics of my statement to make it appear that I've meant something, I certainly did not, just doesn't seem conducive to this discussion. Unless, of course, it was your attempt at being comical at my expense. In which case, I don't find it very funny. Not because it was aimed at me, but because it's so thoughtless and dull. At least when Roger blows up at people, he BLOWS UP. The aftermath always has interesting colors.

You haven't actually seen me blow up.  Just saying.  It's more fun than even I really want.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Interesting that you thought it cool to put words in my mouth, though.

Somebody's got to.

[The Johnny]

So you don't have much by way of empathy, you want to amass power, and you came to a forum to tell people so.

Have you, by any chance, been reading M.E. Thomas?

That's a strange summary. I didn't come on here to tell you those things in particular. Those pieces of information were a result of the flow of the conversation, and in turn, the flow of my thoughts. As one thing led to another in this discussion, I was reminded of related tid-bits, and decided to reflect on them openly. Keep in mind, the simplicity of the original topic that I ranted on.

I just looked her up, and I'm quite interested. I may, in fact, read her on my free-time. Let's hope there aren't too many similarities though, if you know what I mean.

Power isn't a goal, it's a method and means.

Now THAT, is an interesting way to look at power. This will dominate my thoughts for tomorrow, I'm sure of it.

Foucault was a boss.  But yeah, that may be a bit, uh, complex for a discussion that has mostly revolved around that perverted heroin addict attached to an ego, aka Crowley.

However, I was going to make two more points.

1. What is the purpose of seeking power, if not to have an effect on the world in the way one desires?  As much as I hate to reduce people to psychology, I would have to conclude that they are probably seeking the sense of security, importance and relevance that wielding power lends.  In which case, like Paes said, " becoming a solipsist and declaring total control over your own reality is probably the easiest way to get there."

2.  Power is socially constructed.  And that's socially constructed in the sense that it's constructed by society, not in the sense that it's not real, as so many kids chose to believe socially constructed means nowadays.  Power derives from networks that exist in society, and as a result bind one more closely to that society.  Sure, there may be specific relaxations and exemptions - society is not a monolithic bloc, after all - but by and large, one gains power in the modern world through a significant amount of social interaction.  It's not a path for someone who wants to be free of social mores and restrictions, and indeed trying to combine the two is an exercise in futility.

1. I was only talking about the acquisition of power because "the affect on the world in the way on desires" is variable. What I want to affect now may not be what I want to affect later. And YES  We've established that Paes's description was spot-fucking-on.

2. I do agree that power is a construct. But I see it as one that is constructed in many ways, in many places, and to many extents depending on the perspective I'm looking from. I don't think that society is the only place it shows up.

I'm sorry to say I don't know much about/by Foucault.

I also must point out that you seem to state things with the same preachy and righteous tone that I use(d). So, it seems, the format is similar, just the information/view is different.

Thats a bit of a privilege that knowledge and research gives you, as in saying accurate things.

[Pæs]

Check your accuracy privilege, Cain. It's hard for others to debate when they don't have the same facts as you.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'm not homophobic, but that doesn't matter.

Yeah, it does. If you think otherwise try using the word fag in every social situation you can imagine, including applying for a job, or ordering a pizza, or trying to get laid, or, I don't know, interacting with people who don't have the same apparent social impairments you do.

It's more along the lines of total inconsideration: I don't take offense to it, and so I neglected to take others' feelings on the word into account.

This, of course, is a valuable life skill that will bring you admiration and respect.

Most places I visit (Online or out in the world) require no filter of any kind.

Interesting. What is the name of your homeworld? You're certainly not from Earth. Unless you're totally oblivious and surrounded by people who are incapable of interacting with human beings. All humans have filters, even if they're incompatible with those of other groups of humans.

Obviously, I'll refrain from using terms associated with bigotry here from now on, since you all seem to feel so strongly about it.

Now, by "here" do you mean in normal everyday society amongst presumably Western human beings, or just on PD? Because if it's the latter, you're really kinda missing the point.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I'd re-read what I said a few times. Not sure how you could get that from what I said. Stretching my words into your predisposed notion does not make it true.

POFP: Power is still my ultimate goal.

Hoopla (paraphrased): What do you mean by power?

POFP: It's whatever I understand to be power at the moment.

So if power is whatever you understand it to be, it could be money one minute and influence the next. And then it could be cake. You could understand power to be cake and try to amass cake.

The assumption that I'm capable of amounting power to cake is hardly rational. There is a realm of infinite possibilities, I presume. But cake is not one.

My goal is to obtain power - Power, being a perspective-based idea. If the definition is variable, so is the method. Is that better?

IF THE DEFINITION IS VARIABLE, IT IS NOT A DEFINITION.

Cruise on caps because of obvious.

[LMNO]

Check your accuracy privilege, Cain. It's hard for others to debate when they don't have the same facts as you.

I humbly suggest Cain put this in his signature.

[LMNO]

I have power.

I have the power to BEND SPOONS.


Sure, I need to use my hands to do it, but I can bend the SHIT out of those fuckers.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I have power.

I have the power to BEND SPOONS.


Sure, I need to use my hands to do it, but I can bend the SHIT out of those fuckers.

I can give a woman a fake orgasm from across the room.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I can prevent a woman from ever having another real orgasm in her life from about the same distance   

[POFP]

Nobody is blowing up at you. I'm questioning on what grounds you object to what you interpreted as my deliberately misinterpreting you.

Nothing has any meaning dude, I don't see why your posts should be any different.

The semantics of my posts are very deliberate and are key when trying to understand them.

And one of the reasons why I came to this forum is because of the blatant flaming, tag-teaming, etc. It's funny as fuck. Don't bother taking my feelings into account, because you're right, none of it has any meaning.

You haven't actually seen me blow up.  Just saying.  It's more fun than even I really want.

I've had an account for years, and I was on here reading your rages even before that. It's almost paralleled my anger at times.

And I'm a huge fan of the way you lose control and turn into an enormous green rage monster.

Thats a bit of a privilege that knowledge and research gives you, as in saying accurate things.

Knowledge and research gives you the ability to state personal interpretations as facts? That's funny, I think that's the basis of Solipsism

"My interpretation is right, because it's the only one that could possibly exist."

1. Yeah, it does. If you think otherwise try using the word fag in every social situation you can imagine, including applying for a job, or ordering a pizza, or trying to get laid, or, I don't know, interacting with people who don't have the same apparent social impairments you do.

2. This, of course, is a valuable life skill that will bring you admiration and respect.

3. Interesting. What is the name of your homeworld? You're certainly not from Earth. Unless you're totally oblivious and surrounded by people who are incapable of interacting with human beings. All humans have filters, even if they're incompatible with those of other groups of humans.

4. Now, by "here" do you mean in normal everyday society amongst presumably Western human beings, or just on PD? Because if it's the latter, you're really kinda missing the point.

1. I don't "try" to use the word "fag" or any other bigoted term in any social situation, unless it calls for it. In this case, it was simply a slip of the tongue. Keep in mind, I don't actually give a shit, unless it helps me in some way. Obviously, being a blatant cunt is almost never helpful in any social situation. I don't have some uncontrollable urge to excrete bigotry from my fucking face.

2. I know, that's why I make a conscious effort to watch what I say in every situation. But, because it is conscious, things do slip sometimes.

3. Again, I must point out, I don't have an urge to spew bigotry. And I also don't spend much time in professional social locations, like offices, or whatever. But I generally don't talk much anyways. So, most of the time, I don't need a filter, because I don't need to hold something back that isn't trying to jump out. Rarely does something bigotry-related pop-up in conversation for me, because I refrain from having discussions with people likely to bring those things up. And if I do have a conversation with someone that is bigoted, I generally go with it to not seem unusual. Words don't affect me in negative ways, so I don't give a fuck about what I say if the person I'm talking to doesn't care.

4. Here, on PD, and anywhere else I find along the way that would be damaged by bigotry-related terms.

IF THE DEFINITION IS VARIABLE, IT IS NOT A DEFINITION.

Cruise on caps because of obvious.

It is if the definition is an interpretation. The definition is an interpretation when the thing being described by the definition is an interpretation.

Example: Love - A mental construct - has a varying definition, because, by being a mental construct, it is made up of interpretations. Interpretations vary from perspective to perspective/person to person.

Right?

Unlike the relationship between energy and work, which is mathematically described and directly observable (I don't even have to get into Instrumental Relativity here), the relationship between power and its effects are complexly abstracted and based on perspective and predispositions.

As LMNO has demonstrated (With the spoon-bending argument), sometimes the energy-work relationship can be encompassed by the system of power that you're referring to, along with other relationships (societal, metaphysical, etc.).