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[Faust]

Happy Holidays Potato Fuckers!

Wait.  Is that TODAY?

Yeah, we sent off Fearless Leader to you guys for a couple of days. Check that you have the cutlery when he's leaving.

[Doktor Howl]

Happy Holidays Potato Fuckers!

Wait.  Is that TODAY?

Yeah, we sent off Fearless Leader to you guys for a couple of days. Check that you have the cutlery when he's leaving.

Fuck that, I'm staying indoors until the horrible crashing noises stop.

[Cain]

I'm going to drink a ton of Red Bull tonight, just to be contrary.

[Cain]

Actually, no, fuck it, I just remembered what else is happening today.

Elder Scrolls Online is dropping its monthly fee, which is basically, other than the whole "having to play it alongside other people" aspect, my only objection to not playing it.  Battlefield: Hardline was also released today, but the only decent Battlefield game is 1942 so eh, whatever.

[Eater of Clowns]

Actually, no, fuck it, I just remembered what else is happening today.

Elder Scrolls Online is dropping its monthly fee, which is basically, other than the whole "having to play it alongside other people" aspect, my only objection to not playing it.  Battlefield: Hardline was also released today, but the only decent Battlefield game is 1942 so eh, whatever.

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, as always. I did the stress test betas last year before release. I found PvE a little wanting, but PvP was overall pretty fun.

[Cain]

Actually, no, fuck it, I just remembered what else is happening today.

Elder Scrolls Online is dropping its monthly fee, which is basically, other than the whole "having to play it alongside other people" aspect, my only objection to not playing it.  Battlefield: Hardline was also released today, but the only decent Battlefield game is 1942 so eh, whatever.

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts, as always. I did the stress test betas last year before release. I found PvE a little wanting, but PvP was overall pretty fun.

I think it's fair to say PvE has never been the strong suit of Bethesda or Zenimax.    Well, except Wolfenstein...maybe.   Enemies in Dishonored were as dumb as a bag of bricks too.

You might be waiting a while for that review though....it's 80 gig to download.  Damn.

[Demolition Squid]

Basically, my point is that you were working from the assumption justice is there for individuals.

I take the opposite view; the justice system is what we rely on to set the rules of society, not of individuals. That's why it is important for people to be confronted by the acts carried out in their name.

It is the same reason I think people should see the result of drone strikes and hear the testimony of civilian survivors of 'collateral damage'. These are acts carried out on our behalf. If you make it sanitized and tuck it away from public view as much as possible, people can't really weigh the consequences of those actions and the victims become invisible.

Gotcha. I see no social justice at all in execution and only dimly in a personal sense.

I understand that a criminal that, say, brutalized and murdered somebody's loved one or family owes a horrible debt to those he took from that literally cannot be repayed or made right. This is where I faintly see justice in execution.

I REALLY could be wrong in this, but the law of the jungle quietly underwrites all human motivation in my experience. If we have any advantage it's the ability to transcend that instincual "eye 4 an eye" mentality. I'll think this over some more.

As for the rest about disclosure I totally agree.

I'm reminded of a quote out of the Sid Meyer game Alpha Centauri.

"Beware the man who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Pravin Lal, leader of the Peacekeeper faction.

Yeah, nobody here is disagreeing with you that execution is unjust. I also think the death penalty should be scrapped, along with minimum sentences - because I think the law should be based on punishment that fits the crime, and that the punishment shouldn't also cause harm.

I also think it is unjust to keep the executions private if you do them, though, because it makes it easier for people to ignore the unjust nature of the murder being perpetrated in their name, and I don't think it makes any sense from a general theory of justice perspective. Justice is supposed to be visible, in order to deter future crimes.

[Ben Shapiro]

Basically, my point is that you were working from the assumption justice is there for individuals.

I take the opposite view; the justice system is what we rely on to set the rules of society, not of individuals. That's why it is important for people to be confronted by the acts carried out in their name.

It is the same reason I think people should see the result of drone strikes and hear the testimony of civilian survivors of 'collateral damage'. These are acts carried out on our behalf. If you make it sanitized and tuck it away from public view as much as possible, people can't really weigh the consequences of those actions and the victims become invisible.

Gotcha. I see no social justice at all in execution and only dimly in a personal sense.

I understand that a criminal that, say, brutalized and murdered somebody's loved one or family owes a horrible debt to those he took from that literally cannot be repayed or made right. This is where I faintly see justice in execution.

I REALLY could be wrong in this, but the law of the jungle quietly underwrites all human motivation in my experience. If we have any advantage it's the ability to transcend that instincual "eye 4 an eye" mentality. I'll think this over some more.

As for the rest about disclosure I totally agree.

I'm reminded of a quote out of the Sid Meyer game Alpha Centauri.

"Beware the man who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Pravin Lal, leader of the Peacekeeper faction.

Yeah, nobody here is disagreeing with you that execution is unjust. I also think the death penalty should be scrapped, along with minimum sentences - because I think the law should be based on punishment that fits the crime, and that the punishment shouldn't also cause harm.

I also think it is unjust to keep the executions private if you do them, though, because it makes it easier for people to ignore the unjust nature of the murder being perpetrated in their name, and I don't think it makes any sense from a general theory of justice perspective. Justice is supposed to be visible, in order to deter future crimes.

Death by firing squad?

[The Wizard Joseph]

Basically, my point is that you were working from the assumption justice is there for individuals.

I take the opposite view; the justice system is what we rely on to set the rules of society, not of individuals. That's why it is important for people to be confronted by the acts carried out in their name.

It is the same reason I think people should see the result of drone strikes and hear the testimony of civilian survivors of 'collateral damage'. These are acts carried out on our behalf. If you make it sanitized and tuck it away from public view as much as possible, people can't really weigh the consequences of those actions and the victims become invisible.

Gotcha. I see no social justice at all in execution and only dimly in a personal sense.

I understand that a criminal that, say, brutalized and murdered somebody's loved one or family owes a horrible debt to those he took from that literally cannot be repayed or made right. This is where I faintly see justice in execution.

I REALLY could be wrong in this, but the law of the jungle quietly underwrites all human motivation in my experience. If we have any advantage it's the ability to transcend that instincual "eye 4 an eye" mentality. I'll think this over some more.

As for the rest about disclosure I totally agree.

I'm reminded of a quote out of the Sid Meyer game Alpha Centauri.

"Beware the man who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Pravin Lal, leader of the Peacekeeper faction.

Yeah, nobody here is disagreeing with you that execution is unjust. I also think the death penalty should be scrapped, along with minimum sentences - because I think the law should be based on punishment that fits the crime, and that the punishment shouldn't also cause harm.

I also think it is unjust to keep the executions private if you do them, though, because it makes it easier for people to ignore the unjust nature of the murder being perpetrated in their name, and I don't think it makes any sense from a general theory of justice perspective. Justice is supposed to be visible, in order to deter future crimes.

Death by firing squad?

Chased off a bridge by hundreds of naked women as seen in Monty Python.

This I could accept if never condone.   

[Junkenstein]

Actually, no, fuck it, I just remembered what else is happening today.

Elder Scrolls Online is dropping its monthly fee, which is basically, other than the whole "having to play it alongside other people" aspect, my only objection to not playing it.  Battlefield: Hardline was also released today, but the only decent Battlefield game is 1942 so eh, whatever.

Pretty sure I called that. And if I haven't said it before I suspect a bag a shite with no real depth. The shift in business model guarantees doom as well. Just wait and watch.

Related rant to follow if I can remember and be arsed.

[Ben Shapiro]

I think I got Herman Li from Dragonforce to buy something from me online!
I wonder if it's actually him!

[Eater of Clowns]

Black Socialists gather outside of Texas to support Open Carry Law.

White Liberal tears everywhere!



They're the only type of socialists I trust.

https://www.facebook.com/SocialistRifleAssociation

Awesome.

I love this trend of giving people exactly what they wanted. The Satanists handing out school pamphlets. The Black Socialists of Texas. Good job, guys!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

In other news...

WHOOHOO!!!

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

What about exile? what if we just dropped our absolute worst in someplace they could theoretically survive, but be extremely difficult to come back to the US and start shit? they'd be dropped somewhere off the Continental US, they'd never be allowed back in and we come compile a list of exiles worldwide to make sure they never return to their home countries again.

[Chelagoras The Boulder]

Also, Congrats LMNO!