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Is chaos about order?

Started by Standstill, April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Cain

Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

rong

"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Cain

Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself, engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring creation and destruction.

Cain


rong

Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself, engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring creation and destruction.

chaos is a myth
"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Cain

Quote from: rong on April 04, 2015, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2015, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: Standstill on April 04, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
What does uncontaminated chaos look like?

No such thing.  Chaos is change and while one could claim unchanged aspects are evidence of "contamination" of chaos they are only unchanged thus far.  On a long enough timeline, everything is grey goo.  Chaos is the contaminant, and it will infect everything, as the Univerise defaults to entropy.  But chaos is also the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Cause, which is where things get interesting...

Just in case I wasn't clear, chaos is a snake eating itself, engaged in an act of eternally reoccuring creation and destruction.

chaos is a myth

Yes.  In the broadest possible meaning of the term.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

The thing is, chaos, in the most literal possible sense, is a product of both order and disorder, in the same way that order and disorder are products of chaos. Emergence is a product of entropy, and entropy is a product of emergence. Chaos is the product of entropy and emergence, as both emergence and entropy are daughters of chaos. It's simple physics, yo.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Standstill


jonb

I imagined nothing, not a gap between, but a complete nothing, no time or space, lacking all qualities. Total nothing not even dark.
This total nothing would have no structure to maintain its existence, as such it could not exist.
Could we then postulate its nature is therefore dynamic for it is without structure and as it cannot maintain itself, it forces the existence of something however minimal the qualities of that something is. We know that a total nothing cannot exist so it must have at least a quality. So what might that quality be? It has no antecedence so we might presume it is not structured or ordered. Dynamic without order, it primarily looks as though it might be quite chaotic to me.


Quavers anyone?

LMNO

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Who wants a muffin?

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 14, 2015, 03:41:18 PM
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Who wants a muffin?

Better than the real thing!  :lol:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


jonb

Quote"We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once."
― Friedrich Nietzsche

Yes, but don't be disheartened it may have come easily to him, but you too can achieve this goal yourself, with a little practice!


The ironic thing we are told is; that with dance it is only through constant repetition that we can hope to produce that spark of originality that creates the great dancer.


And that has to be the sincerest form of Flat'er'ley