The Trans Discussion

[Don Coyote]

It doesn't go into depth, but http://www.bu.edu/news/2015/02/13/review-article-provides-evidence-on-the-biological-nature-of-gender-identity/

The researchers conducted a literature search and reviewed articles that showed positive biologic bases for gender identity. These included disorders of sexual development, such as penile agenesis, neuroanatomical differences, such as grey and white matter studies, and steroid hormone genetics, such as genes associated with sex hormone receptors. They conclude that current data suggests a biological etiology for transgender identity.

According to the researchers the article does have some limitations due to the small numbers of individuals studied and therefore conclusions should be drawn with caution.  Safer recommends that further research focus on specific biologic mechanisms for gender identity.

Also

TL;DR: arbitrary gender divisions make for incomplete humans that are not socially permitted to use the whole spectrum of their emotions.

Yeah, fuck that. It's like that phrase 'man-up'.

Any qualities that I can think of that would help me 'man-up' are qualities found in women as well.

Person-up, maybe?

Fortify, buff-up

[Freeky]

FORTIFY THYSELF!


I'm totally using that from now on.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

FORTIFY THYSELF!


I'm totally using that from now on.

I like that, and also "gird your loins".

[Reginald Ret]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

[Faust]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

Famous is stretching it, she is from that dumb reality show that asshole Kanye Wests wife is in.

The vanity fair announcement cover annoyed my fiance, because of the sexualised glamor spread on it as if to say "this is what it is to be a woman", it cant be a strong or professional look because those things aren't womanly.

[hooplala]

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

[LMNO]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

Famous is stretching it, she is from that dumb reality show that asshole Kanye Wests wife is in.

The vanity fair announcement cover annoyed my fiance, because of the sexualised glamor spread on it as if to say "this is what it is to be a woman", it cant be a strong or professional look because those things aren't womanly.

John Stewart had a pretty good riff on exactly that. 

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/oekklq/brave-new-girl

[Faust]

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

Ah ok, I don't know much about reality tv, but I know even less on sports. That actually is news worthy so.

[Faust]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

Famous is stretching it, she is from that dumb reality show that asshole Kanye Wests wife is in.

The vanity fair announcement cover annoyed my fiance, because of the sexualised glamor spread on it as if to say "this is what it is to be a woman", it cant be a strong or professional look because those things aren't womanly.

John Stewart had a pretty good riff on exactly that. 

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/oekklq/brave-new-girl

Only visible in the US, will look it up on youtube later.

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

Famous is stretching it, she is from that dumb reality show that asshole Kanye Wests wife is in.

Um

http://biography.yourdictionary.com/bruce-jenner

One of the most famous athletes of the 1970s, Bruce Jenner (born 1949) won the gold medal in the decathlon in the 1976 Olympic Games.

The vanity fair announcement cover annoyed my fiance, because of the sexualised glamor spread on it as if to say "this is what it is to be a woman", it cant be a strong or professional look because those things aren't womanly.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It occurs to me to put it like this: Caitlyn Jenner can not be a woman in a man's body, because she is a woman and therefore her body must be a woman's body--medically altered or otherwise.

Yes.

I just realized that this Caitlyn is a MtF trans, that completely changes the meaning of that sentence.
I guess this is a famous person I would know about if I followed the news?

Famous is stretching it, she is from that dumb reality show that asshole Kanye Wests wife is in.

The vanity fair announcement cover annoyed my fiance, because of the sexualised glamor spread on it as if to say "this is what it is to be a woman", it cant be a strong or professional look because those things aren't womanly.

Also annoying because she's like 66 and there is no way, even with all her money for plastic surgery, that she actually looks anything like that. So now she's contributing to objectification and unrealistic standards of beauty not only for women, whether they are OG or trans, but particularly for older trans women.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

Hoopla beat me to it.

But still, she was famous before Kanye West was even BORN, and I still haven't figured out WTF a Kardashian is.

[Doktor Howl]

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

Hoopla beat me to it.

But still, she was famous before Kanye West was even BORN, and I still haven't figured out WTF a Kardashian is.

It seems to be some sort of alien that stores its victims in its bum. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

To be fair, she was an Olympic medalist before any of that jive. She used to be Bruce Jenner, famous in my youth for the cover of the Wheaties box.

Hoopla beat me to it.

But still, she was famous before Kanye West was even BORN, and I still haven't figured out WTF a Kardashian is.

It seems to be some sort of alien that stores its victims in its bum.