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Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.

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trippinprincezz13

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2016, 04:32:06 PM

I have never "felt the bern", and that phrase gives me hives.  Seriously, it makes me want to punch America.  But he's still the closest thing to a socialist, so I'm going to vote for him.  When he loses the primary, I'm going to vote for Hillary, because she is my second choice.  She is my second choice because her last name is neither Trump nor Cruz.

And I hardly think it's fair at all to blame the tumblrina's on Clinton's hard work, any more than Sanders should be blamed for the tribly & fake katana set.

THANK YOU. I like Sanders since, as you said, he's the closest thing to a Socialist on the ballot, but every time I see that phrase/slogan, I am filled with irrational anger. I just hate it so much.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: trippinprincezz13 on February 16, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 16, 2016, 04:32:06 PM

I have never "felt the bern", and that phrase gives me hives.  Seriously, it makes me want to punch America.  But he's still the closest thing to a socialist, so I'm going to vote for him.  When he loses the primary, I'm going to vote for Hillary, because she is my second choice.  She is my second choice because her last name is neither Trump nor Cruz.

And I hardly think it's fair at all to blame the tumblrina's on Clinton's hard work, any more than Sanders should be blamed for the tribly & fake katana set.

THANK YOU. I like Sanders since, as you said, he's the closest thing to a Socialist on the ballot, but every time I see that phrase/slogan, I am filled with irrational anger. I just hate it so much.

It's not the worst in our history ("Tippicanoe and Tyler, too!"), but it's certainly in the bottom half dozen.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

I've also said the "I'll vote for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general", and I realize what I'm saying (and only what I'm saying -- I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth) is that I think Bernie won't win the primary, and that I may even want him to lose it, so I'll "have" to vote for Clinton.   Which puts me in a weird idealistic/pragmatic bind.


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO on February 17, 2016, 03:28:13 PM
I've also said the "I'll vote for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general", and I realize what I'm saying (and only what I'm saying -- I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth) is that I think Bernie won't win the primary, and that I may even want him to lose it, so I'll "have" to vote for Clinton.   Which puts me in a weird idealistic/pragmatic bind.

I just decided to stop fucking hedging and come out and say that I prefer Clinton. I like her better in almost all aspects, including honesty, even though I don't like her in a couple of areas of policy.
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The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO on February 17, 2016, 03:28:13 PM
I've also said the "I'll vote for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general", and I realize what I'm saying (and only what I'm saying -- I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth) is that I think Bernie won't win the primary, and that I may even want him to lose it, so I'll "have" to vote for Clinton.   Which puts me in a weird idealistic/pragmatic bind.

Of course he's going to lose the primary.  Even without the super delegates issue, he is going to meet cold reality in the Southeast.  I'm most definitely not happy with this, but what's crying about SDs - assuming that's even an issue - going to do but hand fuel to the fascists?  We're going to find out.  Because a third of either side's partisans is going to stay home or - even more hilariously - "write Bernie in".

Stop and think about that for a moment.  They're going to "write Bernie in" to a general election, when he couldn't beat Clinton in the primary in a two way election. That's a special kind of stupid.

The only good news about this is that the GOP is going to split for sure.  Trump has said that the RNC isn't treating him fairly, so his pledge is invalidated.  And they HAVE to crap on him even if it means the election, or they lose control of the party.   

Personally, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's smug grin may be hard to look at, but it's still not as bad as electing actual Nazis.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cain

I think is just trying it on, giving his anti-establishment credentials a polish.  If anything, it seems that the party is coming around to Trump, especially if the only other option is for them to have Cruz.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Cain on February 17, 2016, 05:04:28 PM
I think is just trying it on, giving his anti-establishment credentials a polish.  If anything, it seems that the party is coming around to Trump, especially if the only other option is for them to have Cruz.

Well, everyone hates Cruz, but he's not completely out of control like Trump is.
Jeb isn't even there.  He's off to one side, whining about how mean everyone is.
Rubio?  Who is he?

Hard call.  The guy everyone loathes, or the guy who will establish that a candidate can be chosen outside of the RNC's control?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Brother Mythos

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 17, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
Of course he's going to lose the primary.  Even without the super delegates issue, he is going to meet cold reality in the Southeast.  I'm most definitely not happy with this, but what's crying about SDs - assuming that's even an issue - going to do but hand fuel to the fascists?  We're going to find out.  Because a third of either side's partisans is going to stay home or - even more hilariously - "write Bernie in".

Stop and think about that for a moment.  They're going to "write Bernie in" to a general election, when he couldn't beat Clinton in the primary in a two way election. That's a special kind of stupid.

Once Bernie Sanders' time in the national limelight is over, I don't doubt he'll tell his supporters to throw their full support behind HRC. I would also be very surprised if Sanders didn't actively go out and campaign for her, and that has to count for a lot.

The only instance I can recall of a write-in vote having any significance is when Lisa Murkowski beat Joe Miller in the Alaska Senate race of 2010. And even there, Murkowski was the incumbent senator, even though she had officially lost the Republican primary to Joe Miller. (If anyone knows of a case where write-in votes had any real influence in the outcome of a presidential election, I'd genuinely like to hear about it. No sarcasm, etc. intended.) 

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 17, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
The only good news about this is that the GOP is going to split for sure.  Trump has said that the RNC isn't treating him fairly, so his pledge is invalidated.  And they HAVE to crap on him even if it means the election, or they lose control of the party.
You could be right about the RNC continuing to try to bring Trump down. Unfortunately, the next guy in line is Cruz. So, the old boys have to jump over both Trump and Cruz to get to a true establishment candidate.               
   
Personally, I don't think the old boys have the stones to go the distance against Trump, but we shall see.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 17, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
Personally, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's smug grin may be hard to look at, but it's still not as bad as electing actual Nazis.

Ms. Wasserman-Schultz can grin all she wants, if her Democrats can keep all of these GOP clowns out of the White House. 
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LMNO

The other thing is that some of my more trusted economic sources (Krugman, et al) are becoming more vocal about their thoughts on Bernie's economic plans; to wit, they have similar magic asterisks as Paul Ryan's, where implausible assumptions about the economy are assumed in order to make the plan work.

If I want Democratic Socialism (or whatever the exact name of Sanders' political stance), I don't want to have smoke blown up my ass about it.  I know it's going to cost more.  I want someone to really lay it out.

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO on February 17, 2016, 07:39:14 PM
The other thing is that some of my more trusted economic sources (Krugman, et al) are becoming more vocal about their thoughts on Bernie's economic plans; to wit, they have similar magic asterisks as Paul Ryan's, where implausible assumptions about the economy are assumed in order to make the plan work.

If I want Democratic Socialism (or whatever the exact name of Sanders' political stance), I don't want to have smoke blown up my ass about it.  I know it's going to cost more.  I want someone to really lay it out.

Actually, it will cost a bit less.


Most people know roughly how much we spend on military adventurism, but they don't feel the cost in their guts.  We've been doing it for so long that we assume that's just money spent before you see it, so to speak.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.


The Good Reverend Roger

This article is mostly crap, except that it's the first time that Trump and Cruz are taken seriously against Clinton, and it's also the first time I've seen any major media even mention Sanders as being a serious candidate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269702-hillary-trails-trump-head-to-head-poll

The numbers are horrifying, but probably as reliable as the poll predictions in 2012.

Probably.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

rong

"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

The Good Reverend Roger

I stand on my record at PD, election-wise.  Old-timers (pre-2008) know about this.

The democrats are doomed.  Fucking doomed.  they will not take the house, they will not take the senate, and if Trump is nominated, he will win.  If he is not nominated, then the dems MAY retain the white house, but that's it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

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