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OPEN BAR: Tough on bars, tough on the causes of bars

Started by Cain, November 10, 2015, 12:36:46 AM

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Chelagoras The Boulder

Oh hey, i meant to post this up earlier, but i'm now in my second week of my mental health internship! Hopefully by the end of this i'll have a job in the field. Been off to a good start so far, first day they simulated what its like to have schizophrenia, so that was intense.
"It isn't who you know, it's who you know, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do."

The Good Reverend Roger

Patience Gonzales just came through with the cover art for LDW3.  I am going to try to have the book up by Friday night, which means it will probably actually be available next Tuesday.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Cain on November 11, 2015, 08:20:57 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 11, 2015, 06:39:49 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 10, 2015, 03:16:35 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 10, 2015, 02:49:05 AM
Quote from: Cain on November 10, 2015, 01:26:23 AM
Green light.  With the explicit promise that he will run interference when they inevitably whine about it.

Is this the guy that's ultimately in charge of all those dangerously foolish ass-hats you've been talking about? If so consider that it may be a set-up intended to get you in a bad position. I'm not saying it is so, but I've found that managers are never more dangerous than when they're "letting you do something" that shouldn't be necessary if they were competent.

Thought did cross my mind.

That said, the other shifts are useless.  I mean, completely and utterly useless.  Any move to get us fired would mean having to just put up with them being useless on even more shifts than they currently are.

I've found a simple workplace truth in my few years in the Laundry Services Department. It is very rarely the shitty co-worker that needs adjustment, like being berated. It is the person that allowed the behavior, knowingly and intentionally or not, that must be influenced. The only result of attempting to adjust the co-worker directly for misbehaving is thin compliance and resentment at best, at worst genuine and often veiled hostility.

I've more to say if you've an inclination to give ear.. or eye I guess, to it. My brain's just a bit far from the objective mode of thinking about anything work related ATM.

True...but these people are lazy as fuck.  I mean, the fridge had rotting food which expired in the summer in it, and they couldn't even be bothered to clean it out.  When I come in, I frequently find daily updated paperwork is pinned on top of the previous day's one...because someone couldn't be bothered to walk 15 feet to the bin and dispose of it.  Paperwork for the weekends, which is easy to update (you do it as people leave/arrive) is frequently so shoddy my co-worker and I spend 2 hours on our first night back on duty cross-referencing everything to make sure it's accurate, because it frequently isn't.

There's definitely a dearth of any kind of proper leadership or management here.  But it's festered to the point where it seems only 1 out of the 4 shifts is actually doing what it should be. We've shouted at management for months to fix it, but, well, you know what kind of idiots they are.  So now we'll shout at other people.

I've been the point man for picking up dirty and making deliveries to a cluster of our outlying clinics for about a year now. The last seven months of that have had me also tracking the levels of, and stocking, white doctor coats that the department now carries and distrbutes in lieu of the previous contractor. I've seen and made extensive written and photo documentation of the disregard for basic infection control procedure displayed by the staff. Coats get thrown on the floor under the clean ones or stuffed on shelves above them, dirty coats all too often get re-hung with the clean, personal items from outdoors have been hung among them, then there's the retaliation of folks messing up the racks after my reporting started to gain traction. Documentation of THAT was a major boon indeed!

I think what I'm trying to get at here is that these few bad actors are doctors and they "should" know better, but proved as intractably foolish as the worst folks in my own lowly department. I begin to suspect that disingenuous and incompetent behavior in a workplace is par for the course with a certain percentage of people no matter what they actually do. Then I got all Stoic about it and realized that if the behavior pattern was universal then it was also inevitable and getting mad was about it as helpful as shaking my fist at a stormcloud. I decided to let my anger go as much as possible and simply begin real and consistent documentation, despite it not being part of "my job", reasoning that the fuckers acted poorly so freely because they were used to "getting away with it".

Though "co-workers" my position is notably inferior to the MDs that I  attempt to service and so directly influencing their behavior on my own was not a viable option, no matter what documentation I created. So I decided that I would be as consistent about reports as I had been about being angry, every single day. I still get mildly annoyed sometimes, but the destruction of my false ideal about what folks "should" be doing in favor of analysis of what was actually happening has been an invaluable experience.

Not really sure where I'm going with this despite picking at it off and on as I could today. Might open a thread to try getting it all out.  Any of that sound useful Cain?
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

"Ayn Rand never swung a hammer in her life and had serious dominance issues" - The Fountainhead

"World domination is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to call it world optimisation."
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

"You program the controller to do the thing, only it doesn't do the thing.  It does something else entirely, or nothing at all.  It's like voting."
- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019

"It's not even chaos anymore. It's BANAL."
- Doktor Hamish Howl

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 11, 2015, 08:13:52 PM
Oh hey, i meant to post this up earlier, but i'm now in my second week of my mental health internship! Hopefully by the end of this i'll have a job in the field. Been off to a good start so far, first day they simulated what its like to have schizophrenia, so that was intense.

Very glad to hear!
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

"Ayn Rand never swung a hammer in her life and had serious dominance issues" - The Fountainhead

"World domination is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to call it world optimisation."
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

"You program the controller to do the thing, only it doesn't do the thing.  It does something else entirely, or nothing at all.  It's like voting."
- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019

"It's not even chaos anymore. It's BANAL."
- Doktor Hamish Howl

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2015, 02:21:51 AM
Patience Gonzales just came through with the cover art for LDW3.  I am going to try to have the book up by Friday night, which means it will probably actually be available next Tuesday.

That's awesome sir!
You can't get out backward.  You have to go forward to go back.. better press on! - Willie Wonka, PBUH

Life can be seen as a game with no reset button, no extra lives, and if the power goes out there is no restarting.  If that's all you see life as you are not long for this world, and never will get it.

"Ayn Rand never swung a hammer in her life and had serious dominance issues" - The Fountainhead

"World domination is such an ugly phrase. I prefer to call it world optimisation."
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality :lulz:

"You program the controller to do the thing, only it doesn't do the thing.  It does something else entirely, or nothing at all.  It's like voting."
- Billy, Aug 21st, 2019

"It's not even chaos anymore. It's BANAL."
- Doktor Hamish Howl

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2015, 02:21:51 AM
Patience Gonzales just came through with the cover art for LDW3.  I am going to try to have the book up by Friday night, which means it will probably actually be available next Tuesday.

Kick ass!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Chelagoras The Boulder on November 11, 2015, 08:13:52 PM
Oh hey, i meant to post this up earlier, but i'm now in my second week of my mental health internship! Hopefully by the end of this i'll have a job in the field. Been off to a good start so far, first day they simulated what its like to have schizophrenia, so that was intense.

Congratulations!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Vanadium Gryllz

Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 12, 2015, 06:11:59 AM
I begin to suspect that disingenuous and incompetent behavior in a workplace is par for the course with a certain percentage of people no matter what they actually do. Then I got all Stoic about it and realized that if the behavior pattern was universal then it was also inevitable and getting mad was about it as helpful as shaking my fist at a stormcloud. I decided to let my anger go as much as possible and simply begin real and consistent documentation, despite it not being part of "my job", reasoning that the fuckers acted poorly so freely because they were used to "getting away with it".


Sounds to me like you have hit the nail on the head there.
"I was fine until my skin came off.  I'm never going to South Attelboro again."

Meunster

I think I've had to much for tonight.

I made an AI tribute to roger that basically just insults the user.

Poe's law ;)

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

I took the GRE. Did not do too badly, despite taking it on short notice with almost no prep in the middle of an 18-credit term.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


LMNO


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: LMNO on November 12, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
Well done!

Thank you! Now I can focus on not boning my GPA: I got Cs on both of my midterms this past week. The first Cs of my life. They'll both be thrown out so it won't affect my class grade, but only if I am able to catch up and do better on the next set.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: Meunster on November 12, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
I think I've had to much for tonight.

I made an AI tribute to roger that basically just insults the user.



This should be made available in 3rd world countries where they can't afford me.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Meunster

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Meunster on November 12, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
I think I've had to much for tonight.

I made an AI tribute to roger that basically just insults the user.



This should be made available in 3rd world countries where they can't afford me.

Let's kick start it.
Like inspirobot, but for masochist
Poe's law ;)

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 12, 2015, 03:44:31 PM
Quote from: Meunster on November 12, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
I think I've had to much for tonight.

I made an AI tribute to roger that basically just insults the user.



This should be made available in 3rd world countries where they can't afford me.

:lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."