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UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

Started by Vanadium Gryllz, February 23, 2016, 02:54:34 PM

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Cain

Gove and Johnson were conspicuously absent from Cameron's speech yesterday in the Commons.

Cowards.  Complete and utter cowards, the pair of them.

In other news, the leader of the EU Parliament liberal bloc said today that the biggest waste of money in the EU, paying Nigel Farage's salary, is due to end soon.

Cain

Johnson has stated if he becomes leader of the Tory party he won't be calling for a general election.

Whichever senior Tory party member who said Gove and Johnson had "engineered a right-wing coup" on Friday, give yourself a cookie.  You called that shit with clarity.

Cain

And now Corbyn has had a 170-40 motion of no confidence against him pass.

Because it's not binding, he's refusing to resign. 

:lulz:

So the PM is away with the faeries, Boris and Gove are hiding behind their PR officers, Farage is doing a stage act in Brussels and the Labour Party is tearing itself apart.

Right now, Nicola Sturgeon is the closest thing to a responsible leader the UK has got.

Junkenstein

Quote from: Cain on June 28, 2016, 05:20:06 PM
And now Corbyn has had a 170-40 motion of no confidence against him pass.

Because it's not binding, he's refusing to resign. 

:lulz:

So the PM is away with the faeries, Boris and Gove are hiding behind their PR officers, Farage is doing a stage act in Brussels and the Labour Party is tearing itself apart.

Right now, Nicola Sturgeon is the closest thing to a responsible leader the UK has got.

And this is still just the beginning.

Please tell me I'm being utterly retarded in worrying that Blair may yet re-appear. I've got a horrible feeling that Chilcot will declare that no-one did anything wrong at any point and he'll use it as an excuse to "unite" people and slip back in.

Farage at the EU was comical. The "man" continues to demonstrate all the charm and political skill of a dead sheep.


On a slightly different note, will you all please make sure you're pronouncing "Farage" correctly. No french affectations, its pronounced to rhyme with "Garage" or "Gay Marriage".

Additionally, for the uneducated:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Farage

QuoteTo masturbate in an angry and confused way using unconventional stimuli.
Mark's Wife was furious when she caught him having a farage over a picture of Ann Widdecombe.
Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

LMNO


Junkenstein

I've known about that for a few years, that actual definition came out at a Mark Thomas show in liverpool from one of the ushers. Santorum was the inspiration.

It's dangerously accurate, particularly when you look at the backtracking and quotes of the past few days.

Nine naked Men just walking down the road will cause a heap of trouble for all concerned.

Eater of Clowns

Quote from: Cain on June 28, 2016, 05:17:08 PM
Johnson has stated if he becomes leader of the Tory party he won't be calling for a general election.

Whichever senior Tory party member who said Gove and Johnson had "engineered a right-wing coup" on Friday, give yourself a cookie.  You called that shit with clarity.

Tory Leader Johnson makes early bid for Prime Minister

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Would someone mind explaining about UK vs England vs Great Britain vs Britain and why Scotland, N Ireland voted to stay but they are leaving EU anyway because England voted to leave or do I have that wrong?
"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

Cain

Quote from: rong on June 28, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
Would someone mind explaining about UK vs England vs Great Britain vs Britain and why Scotland, N Ireland voted to stay but they are leaving EU anyway because England voted to leave or do I have that wrong?

Basically.

The United Kingdom is the whole thing: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland together (and Gibraltar).  Great Britain refers to the landmass which England, Wales and Scotland is on.

The referendum was a single, straight forward in/out vote among the entire population of the United Kingdom.

However, the polling and counting of the referendum was done at a constituency level, which allowed for counts of specific regions, cities and areas to be quickly made.

Because of its sheer population in comparison to the rest of the UK, England carried the "out" vote, even though in Northern Ireland and Scotland more people voted to remain in.  As the United Kingdom total vote is the one that counts, those regional preferences are in theory being discounted.

However, both Nothern Ireland and Scotland have special status under the UK Constitution, and a limited amount of devolved political power.  Because of this, they may be able to make their preferences stick in those areas, despite the overall vote in the UK going against them.

East Coast Hustle

Quote from: Junkenstein on June 28, 2016, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 28, 2016, 05:20:06 PM
And now Corbyn has had a 170-40 motion of no confidence against him pass.

Because it's not binding, he's refusing to resign. 

:lulz:

So the PM is away with the faeries, Boris and Gove are hiding behind their PR officers, Farage is doing a stage act in Brussels and the Labour Party is tearing itself apart.

Right now, Nicola Sturgeon is the closest thing to a responsible leader the UK has got.

And this is still just the beginning.

Please tell me I'm being utterly retarded in worrying that Blair may yet re-appear. I've got a horrible feeling that Chilcot will declare that no-one did anything wrong at any point and he'll use it as an excuse to "unite" people and slip back in.

Farage at the EU was comical. The "man" continues to demonstrate all the charm and political skill of a dead sheep.


On a slightly different note, will you all please make sure you're pronouncing "Farage" correctly. No french affectations, its pronounced to rhyme with "Garage" or "Gay Marriage".

Additionally, for the uneducated:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Farage

QuoteTo masturbate in an angry and confused way using unconventional stimuli.
Mark's Wife was furious when she caught him having a farage over a picture of Ann Widdecombe.

Woah woah WOAH.

"Garage" rhymes with "barrage", not with "marriage".

Who taught you Brits how to speak English, fer chrissake?
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rong

Quote from: Cain on June 28, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Quote from: rong on June 28, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
Would someone mind explaining about UK vs England vs Great Britain vs Britain and why Scotland, N Ireland voted to stay but they are leaving EU anyway because England voted to leave or do I have that wrong?

Basically.

The United Kingdom is the whole thing: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland together (and Gibraltar).  Great Britain refers to the landmass which England, Wales and Scotland is on.

The referendum was a single, straight forward in/out vote among the entire population of the United Kingdom.

However, the polling and counting of the referendum was done at a constituency level, which allowed for counts of specific regions, cities and areas to be quickly made.

Because of its sheer population in comparison to the rest of the UK, England carried the "out" vote, even though in Northern Ireland and Scotland more people voted to remain in.  As the United Kingdom total vote is the one that counts, those regional preferences are in theory being discounted.

However, both Nothern Ireland and Scotland have special status under the UK Constitution, and a limited amount of devolved political power.  Because of this, they may be able to make their preferences stick in those areas, despite the overall vote in the UK going against them.

Ok, so - Scotland is a country, right?  England is a country, right?  So, what is the UK?  Also a country? Or, like, a mega-country?  I guess I don't see why EU and UK membership need be mutually exclusive
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Cain

Quote from: rong on June 29, 2016, 05:37:54 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 28, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Quote from: rong on June 28, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
Would someone mind explaining about UK vs England vs Great Britain vs Britain and why Scotland, N Ireland voted to stay but they are leaving EU anyway because England voted to leave or do I have that wrong?

Basically.

The United Kingdom is the whole thing: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland together (and Gibraltar).  Great Britain refers to the landmass which England, Wales and Scotland is on.

The referendum was a single, straight forward in/out vote among the entire population of the United Kingdom.

However, the polling and counting of the referendum was done at a constituency level, which allowed for counts of specific regions, cities and areas to be quickly made.

Because of its sheer population in comparison to the rest of the UK, England carried the "out" vote, even though in Northern Ireland and Scotland more people voted to remain in.  As the United Kingdom total vote is the one that counts, those regional preferences are in theory being discounted.

However, both Nothern Ireland and Scotland have special status under the UK Constitution, and a limited amount of devolved political power.  Because of this, they may be able to make their preferences stick in those areas, despite the overall vote in the UK going against them.

Ok, so - Scotland is a country, right?  England is a country, right?  So, what is the UK?  Also a country? Or, like, a mega-country?  I guess I don't see why EU and UK membership need be mutually exclusive

Depends how you're defining a country.

Scotland does not control its own foreign policy or military.  England does not have its own Parliament - there are enough English MPs in the UK Parliament to outvote MPs from every other part of the UK put together.

The UK is the country, Scotland is more akin to a US state (like, say, Texas) than it is to France.  However, Scotland (like Texas) has also historically been an independent state and Scotland (unlike Texas) also has a very valid claim to being a nation - that is, a distinctive linguistic-cultural group.  Scotland and England joined together to create the UK in the 1700s when England and Scotland ended up having the same King.  Only in recent decades has power been ceded by the UK Parliament back to Scotland.

So, to build on the analogy: Imagine that tomorrow, America voted to withdraw from NATO.  However, Texas disagreed.  So Texas starts to look at how to leave America, in order to remain a member of NATO.  That's probably the strongest American-centric analogy I can come up with.

rong

Ok - I guess my confusion came from thinking (erroneously) that Scotland, et all were countries when they actually aren't.  Thanks for clarification
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P3nT4gR4m

Scotland is a distinctly different place from england. That's what I personally mean by "country" The english are a lot unlike us. The land itself is totally different and inferior. There's some nice bits but it's basically a shithole. Wales is a bit better but still, it's a bit shite really. In terms of politics, it's a total clusterfuck with a semi-autonomous parliament full of entitled rich pricks, representing big money, locked in a squabbling contest with a bunch of entitled rich pricks down south, representing bigger money, over who gets what share of the skim.

Those wankers try to tell me I'm part of some "United Kingdom" of self interested bullshit power fuckery. I laugh. I'm scottish. I sincerely do not give a fuck. 

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on June 29, 2016, 10:57:33 PM
Scotland is a distinctly different place from england. That's what I personally mean by "country" The english are a lot unlike us. The land itself is totally different and inferior. There's some nice bits but it's basically a shithole. Wales is a bit better but still, it's a bit shite really. In terms of politics, it's a total clusterfuck with a semi-autonomous parliament full of entitled rich pricks, representing big money, locked in a squabbling contest with a bunch of entitled rich pricks down south, representing bigger money, over who gets what share of the skim.

Those wankers try to tell me I'm part of some "United Kingdom" of self interested bullshit power fuckery. I laugh. I'm scottish. I sincerely do not give a fuck.

4/5 Would read again  :lulz:
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