UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

[Goddess Eris]

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[Cain]

Appeal to be heard next month, though I can't possibly imagine why they're bothering.  Even cursory knowledge of how the UK government works meant that Parliament would need to vote.  Not to mention the political ramifications of an unelected government claiming a democratic mandate based on a referendum ("Parliament is sovereign" is apparently really hard to grasp).

Double irony in that the Brexiteers were talking about "restoring sovereignty" to the UK.  Well, this is sovereignty, jackasses.

Incidentally, the trial of the man who shot Jo Cox starts on the 14th.  Mark it in your diaries.

The farage crowd is having fits everywhere and the irony is quite delicious.

There's also interesting implications as a result of the court decision. Expect some odd statements from the law and order mob shortly.

The Bar Council is trying to pressure Lord Chancellor Liz Truss into condemning the press attacks on the judiciary, and Tory MPs (like the eminently sensible Dominic Grieve) have called upon May to also condemn the hysterical press reaction.

No reply from the government so far.  That could be because it's a Saturday, but I suspect it's got more to do with the government secretly being quite pleased at having the press fight their corner.

[Cain]

Cabinet approved press hysteria confirmed. 

The Lord Chancellor has backed the independence of the UK's judiciary but stopped short of condemning attacks on senior judges over the Brexit ruling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37883576

[Junkenstein]

Cabinet approved press hysteria confirmed. 

The Lord Chancellor has backed the independence of the UK's judiciary but stopped short of condemning attacks on senior judges over the Brexit ruling.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37883576

It's going to get funnier. I'm waiting for a clever fucker to work out a way for this to end up in an eu court in some fashion. A human rights breach or something similar would be perfect.

[Cain]

If the Supreme Court also rules against the government (and they will - to call this an open and shut legal case would miss out on the perfect opportunity to call it a slam dunk), the European Court is the only place they could lodge another appeal in.

And I will laugh.  Maybe not as hard as say, Juncker, but probably close.

[Faust]

The only way that garbled mess could end up being worse in its execution is if it DID go to the vote, pass in parliament, but the Queen refused to sign it into law. In which case again, they would have to apply to the European court and hope they find her refusal a violation of their human rights and whatever about parliament not being sovereign, in this case it would be sovereign != sovereign.

Now correct me if I am wrong, there was talk of repealing the European convention on human rights; if this occurs BEFORE the appeal, am I correct in understanding that they cannot appeal to the European courts?

[Cain]

I believe, as a constitutional matter pertaining to EU law, this would be handled by the European Court of Justice, and so the ECHR wouldn't apply (though I believe the idea now is to repeal the ECHR via the Grand Repeal Bill).

However, if the EU Supreme Court finds in the UK's favour (lol), it could then be challenged in the ECHR anyway.

[Faust]

So either way, that adds what, 3-5 years to this whole mess?

[Cain]

Assuming they want to be stupid about it.  I'd be somewhat surprised if they pursued it after the Supreme Court ruling - it would be quicker and less painful to suck it up and negotiate with Parliament.

Of course, if the government had brought Parliament in in the first place, set up a cross-Parliamentary committee with access to the Brexit team, brought in the Scottish, Welsh and NI assemblies/parliament, then this wouldn't be an issue.  But no, May wanted to act like a tin-pot dictator.  Law and order politicians...always a certain level of contempt for the law as it actually is, there.

At least we can console ourselves with the thought of how much more of a fuckup this would be if Leadsom or Johnson was PM.

[MMIX]

At least we can console ourselves with the thought of how much more of a fuckup this would be if Leadsom or Johnson was PM.

I would be surprised if either of that unfunny comedy duo would have survived in office for 3 months.

[Cain]

True, but then Gove might still be in the running.

[Goddess Eris]

I left my shitbag ex-husband in London just before they voted to leave the EU, and fuck it if I'm worried for the friends of mine still over there... I'm just cackling like mad that all my exes live in Brexit

and are fuked lol

[Prelate Diogenes Shandor]

an idle thought.. what do you all think the odds are of the Falklands eventually jumping ship to Argentina now that the UK is dying?

[Faust]

an idle thought.. what do you all think the odds are of the Falklands eventually jumping ship to Argentina now that the UK is dying?

Depends entirely upon what happens with Scottland, NI etc. anyone of them exits the union and that will be open the floodgates. Will end up as the Union of England and Wales.

[Vanadium Gryllz]

an idle thought.. what do you all think the odds are of the Falklands eventually jumping ship to Argentina now that the UK is dying?

Depends entirely upon what happens with Scottland, NI etc. anyone of them exits the union and that will be open the floodgates. Will end up as the Union of England and Wales.

We could be called Wingland to keep morale up.