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UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?

Started by Vanadium Gryllz, February 23, 2016, 02:54:34 PM

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Cain

Due to our NATO defence clauses, we would have to declare war on ourselves and come to the aid of Spain, too.

The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
Due to our NATO defence clauses, we would have to declare war on ourselves and come to the aid of Spain, too.

Well you can expect the US to sit it out until the invoice is paid in full so you don't have to worry about any meddling in your "intra-alliance conflict." War is such a dirty word after all.
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Cain

Interestingly enough, the UK actually pays the 2% of its GDP as required by NATO.  Spain, by contrast, only spends 1.2%, so at least we will have the support of President Trump.

In other news, 8 people beat a Kurdish teenage refugee almost to death, while a much larger group of 20 just sat on their hands and watched.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39470487

QuoteA group of up to 20 people looked on as a gang punched and kicked a teenage asylum seeker at a bus stop in south London, neighbours have said.

Eight people are being questioned by police on suspicion of the attempted murder of the Kurdish Iranian victim following Friday's attack in Shrublands Avenue, Croydon.

Those involved in the attack have been labelled "scum" by the local MP.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan also condemned the attack.

Worth noting that there was also a big joint Britain First and English Defence League march in London on the same day.  Could be coincidence...could be.

Faust

So the war comments came because Spain has been offered a Veto on descisions for Gibraltar, the republicans in NI are calling for the same.
I hope it doesn't happen:Knowing how the unionists will react is a fast track to a return to the bad old days of soldiers being kneecapped, retaliating soldiers shooting children, leading to retailatory kneecappings repeat as you will for 30+ years and throw the odd bombing in there.
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Cain

There's a lot of stupid nationalism coming, no matter what.  Throw Scottish successionism into the mix and the UK political bandwidth will be stretched to breaking point.

And that's without something like a downturn in the global economy, or, say, an international crisis with Russia, coming into the mix.

Junkenstein

So I should be investing in flag producing businesses then?

That's not even a joke, there's going to be plenty waved and burnt of all nations at this rate and it's not likely to slow down.
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Cain

Well, anything except companies that produce Union Jacks, maybe  :lulz:

Junkenstein

I'm not sure on that, I can see a lot getting sold and burnt in Scotland, Ireland, France, the eu.....



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The Wizard Joseph

Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2017, 12:39:25 AM
Well, anything except companies that produce Union Jacks, maybe  :lulz:

Quote from: Junkenstein on April 03, 2017, 01:37:59 AM
I'm not sure on that, I can see a lot getting sold and burnt in Scotland, Ireland, France, the eu.....

Emphasis on being 100% environment friendly cotton and sell with a canister of "government issue heating alcohol" (190 proof) as a fire starter kit in homes. CLEARLY state how it's intended to be used and specifically disclaim a whole bunch of horrible things one might do with such most especially "imbibing the heating alcohol".

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Quote from: Cain on April 02, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
Due to our NATO defence clauses, we would have to declare war on ourselves and come to the aid of Spain, too.

This is how you world war I.
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Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2017, 12:39:25 AM
Well, anything except companies that produce Union Jacks, maybe  :lulz:

Half of scotland think they're time travellers fighting the battle of the boyne. Scotland is going to be epic fun for the next couple of years.

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Cain

Quote from: Junkenstein on April 03, 2017, 01:37:59 AM
I'm not sure on that, I can see a lot getting sold and burnt in Scotland, Ireland, France, the eu.....

Well, if we split with Scotland it will be back to the cross of St George.

Faust

Flag burning is a national pastime of the unionists up in NI, specifically their racist holiday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleventh_Night

The Republic has no ill will for the UK, although they will try their best to pilfer any financial businesses they can, our useless leader doesn't want to get involved at all, and definitely wont ask about the veto, meanwhile that mess is ticking over: They failed to form a government last week so the north should have gone back into direct rule; Westminster's response was quite funny, it was basically "Take all the time you need, don't mind the deadline, just form a fucking government please".

I think the bandwidth thing will be really serious, between wasting time on Gibraltar, Scotland and NI, that's time that should be focused on trade deals, and offhand comments about going to war is not going to sweeten any of those trade deals.
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Cain

There was a study on that, in fact: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/20/brexit-could-force-uk-parliament-to-be-ineffective-on-everything-else-report.html

QuoteThe IfG suggests that up to 15 new bills, in addition to the Great Repeal (Brexit) Bill, could be required to secure the U.K.'s future beyond its exit from the European Union. These will be announced at the annual Queen's Speech in May, and could address topics such as agriculture and trade.

The Queen's Speech forms part of the ceremonial start to the parliamentary year and outlines proposed legislation. The IfG's report argues that as roughly 20 bills are outlined in the speech, the predicted high proportion of those to be related to Brexit leaves little room to address other, perhaps domestic, issues.

The IfG also suggests that the legislative upheaval that Brexit is likely to catalyze could lead to the government using different routes to make changes to U.K. law, which could mean that such legal amendments are not subject to parliamentary scrutiny.

"The legislation required for Brexit will leave little parliamentary time for anything else ... it will be a challenge for both the government and parliament to do all this while still ensuring full scrutiny and leaving room for the government's domestic policy agenda," Hannah White, IfG director of research, said in a statement.

But Andrew Hood, a lawyer at Dechert specializing in EU law and former legal adviser to previous U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron, told CNBC via telephone that the potential 15 additional bills, "minimizes the cliff-edge fear that people have." Hood added that U.K. parliament only has a "certain bandwidth," meaning that domestic issues could be "put on the backburner," but the significance of Brexit meant that it ought to take priority.

Faust

That could also result in opportunistic bills being introduced in a hope that they will get through without much scrutiny as well, the US just passed a bill effectively killing net neutrality, and that was high profile, imagine what can get passed when no one is looking closely.
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